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Lucifer is, however, not the same thing as Satan. The word Satan simply meant "one who tempts" and it merely referred to any contradicting, skeptical, or accusatory agent and their argument. Within holy orders, like the Essenes and Gnostics, a "Satan" was any detractor or opposition party. There was nothing supernatural about a Satan. There is little doubt that the term and concept has its origins in the Egyptian god Set, the opposer of Horus his twin. To oppose any hegemony is, therefore, to be "Satanic." So we see that there is a big difference between Satan and Lucifer. Lucifer was originally based upon the pagan god Mars and, eventually, Satan also became identified with the red fiery planet and its astrological energy. In the bible we have Jesus turning to Peter saying "get thee behind me Satan." If we accept Jesus to be the sun then we can take this statement to be of Astro-Theological significance. Mars occasionally rises heliacally, that is, with or even before the sun. The priests of the sun would exclaim from their temples "get thee down" or "get thee below" or "get thee behind Satan," in order not to have their deity be ousted, rivaled, and outshone.

Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 2</cite>

When the Hebrews emigrated from Egypt during the 19th Dynasty...they took with them the caricature of Set: Satan

Murray Hope / <cite>Temple of Set (quoted by Michael Tsarion)</cite>

Set has been considered the Egyptian equivalent of the Christian Satan, though we stress that Set was a much more complex archetype than the Christian version.

Michael Tsarion / <cite>The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 2</cite>

[...] for doubt itself is an attribute of Saturn (Satan). Those who are not striving for the highest, partake of the lowest.

Manly P Hall / <cite>Magic: A Treatise on Esoteric Ethics</cite>

If Satan were to go out of the scheme, man would be burned up by the fiery passions of Mars and the angels of Lucifer. Without the chill, caution, and curbing of Saturn, his soul would speedily be lost in utter debauchery and licentiousness. If on the other hand, Lucifer should withdraw, man would soon be a stone again, incapable of incentive, of motion or emotion, and chained, like the sufferers of Dante's Inferno, by the icy fingers of death.

Manly P Hall / <cite>Magic: A Treatise on Esoteric Ethics</cite>

Satan is the spirit of caution, prudence, and when perverted, negation. At his door are laid the sins of omission. Few realize that man is responsible for the things he has not done. That is part of the law. It is just as wrong not to do the right things as it is to do the wrong thing. Satan inhibits, he draws back, he holds aloof.

Manly P Hall / <cite>Magic: A Treatise on Esoteric Ethics</cite>

The two Great Demons of Creation are: Satan - Saturn, and Lucifer - Mars (According to the Greeks, Venus)

Manly P Hall / <cite>Magic: A Treatise on Esoteric Ethics</cite>

The devil, the archetype of misuse, is not a son of Saturn, but a son of man and the false darkness of earth. Man is the incarnation of the germ of mental intelligence, and black magic is possible only to intelligent beings.

Manly P Hall / <cite>Magic: A Treatise on Esoteric Ethics</cite>

The Children of the Dark Birth who labor in the blackness of this substance, molding it into myriads of unseen and unmeasured form, are not evil. They are the sons of Saturn (Satan), the Black Father, who, like the very darkness of chaos itself, must in time swallow all his creations and, in so doing, bring them back to life again from the death that men call creation.

Manly P Hall / <cite>Magic: A Treatise on Esoteric Ethics</cite>

Today's skyscrapers may be taken as representing fundamentalism. On the one hand there are right-wing Christians whom we should bracket with the cruder forms of Islam. Both want to repress human individual free will and intelligence, to lure us into an unenlightening ecstasy. This is the influence of Lucifer.

On the other hand there is the militant scientific materialism that wants to snuff out the human spirit. Machines are making us machine-like. This is the influence of Satan, who wants to go further and squeeze out the spirit altogether and make us mere matter.

And just as Lucifer incarnated so too Satan will incarnate. He will do so as a writer. His aim will be to destroy spirituality by 'explaining it away'. He will have the ability to create supernatural events, but then know how to give them a reductively scientific explanation.

At first he will appear to be a great benefactor on humankind, a genius. To begin with he himself may not realize he is the Anti-Christ, believing he acts only out of love for humanity. He will do away with much dangerous superstition and work to unite the religions of the world. However, there will come a moment of pride when he realizes he is achieving some things that Jesus Christ was, apparently, unable to achieve. He will then become aware of his identity and his mission.

How to recognize Satan? Or any false prophet? Or any false, purportedly spiritual teaching? False teaching usually has little or no moral dimension, the benefits of reawakening the chakras, for example, being recommended merely in terms of selfish 'personal growth'. True spiritual teaching puts love of others and love of humanity at its heart - intelligent love, freely given.

Beware, too, of teaching that doesn't invite questioning, or tolerate mockery. It is telling you, in effect, that God wants you to be stupid.

Mark Booth / <cite>The Secret History of the World</cite>

We have seen that Satan, the Dark Lord, the agent of materialism, is to be identified with the god of the planet Saturn in Greek and Roman mythology.

Mark Booth / <cite>The Secret History of the World</cite>

Satan is not a spirit of destruction. There is no essential evil in the universe. Our present form of the devil is merely derived from the Greek nature god Pan. As Goethe says, Mephistopheles, or Satan, "is part of the power that still works for good while ever scheming ill." Satan is really karma, but he is more than that. He is the temptation from which arises strength. When the Mysteries were celebrated in ancient Egypt, there was an evil spirit called Typhon or Set who brought about the death of the good Osiris. It is the red Set that has given us our concept of the devil; but Set was nothing but the material world, the ground of man's temptation, and also the environment in which he gains immortality through self-discipline. Therefore, Set, or Satan is divine opportunity; the world into which we come in ignorance but from which we depart in wisdom.

Manly P Hall / <cite>How to Understand Your Bible</cite>

The appellation Satan, in Hebrew...belongs by right to the first and cruelest “Adversary” of all other Gods–Jehovah, not in the serpent which spoke only words of sympathy and wisdom.

Helena Petrovna Blavatsky

For this scheme of threat and trepidation to succeed, it was imperative for people to believe that the diabolical Satan had existed from the beginning of time, and there was no earlier story with which he could be associated than that of Adam and Eve.

Laurence Gardner / <cite>Genesis of the Grail Kings</cite>

This sinister satanic figure (sometimes called Lucifer, Beelzebub or Belial - meaning worthless) emerged mainly through the onset of Christian dualism - the concept of two opposing and equally powerful gods. According to different traditions, Satan was either the brother or the son of Jehovah, or was even the competitive and aggressive aspect of Jehovah himself. In essence the Jehovah-Satan conflict was representative of the ancient pre-Christian tradition of the symbolic battle between Light and Darkness as perceived by the Persian mystics.

Laurence Gardner / <cite>Genesis of the Grail Kings</cite>

But this Satan character was an invention of the post-Jesus era, a fabulous myth with no more historic worth than any figment of a Gothic novel.

Laurence Gardner / <cite>Genesis of the Grail Kings</cite>

Nowhere in the Genesis account is there any mention, direct or indirect, of Satan's involvement, and yet it has become common practice for the Church to portray the serpent as an emissary of Satan, or even as Satan himself.

Laurence Gardner / <cite>Genesis of the Grail Kings</cite>

Comments (6)

Terran resistance: my thoughts

it is not Satan who is the angel of death in Freemasonry it is the Virgin Mary while Joseph of Arimathea AKA Satan is life. Jesus is not depicted they are the daughters of Satan.

This is why in the film spectre James Bond they have a festival to the Virgin Mary because they are a catholic nation and they are all dressed up as skeletons and one of the villians has a tattoo of the Virgin Mary with a naked skull for a head because she is Death. This is what the secrets society called Skull And Bones is about. Its Orion worship.

John 14:6
"I am the way and the truth and the >>>life<<<. No one comes to the >>>Father<<< except through me.

John 8:44
You belong to your >>>father<<<, the >>>devil<<<, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Joseph of Arimathea is Satan and father of Jesus

freedmftr88: Very interesting subject

It's definitely two different splits. Though separating Satan vs Lucifer I never thought of it that way and a very good observation. Though I have seen a similar split separation on the topic. Anton Lavey and Satanism for example is not Devil Worship but a philosophy of individualism , ego? and defiantly without a doubt the worship of human nature . Kind of like half parody religion such as The Church of the SubGenius and The Flying Spaghetti Monster but at the same time a philosophy taken seriously , and I think they did take it seriously as a religion. What do I mean ? Well as a parody religion they satirize fundamentalism and the "Normal" sensor ( in MBTI terms ) society and belief systems but in Satanism's case it's a direct reverse of Fundamentalist Christianity. Even rock musicians questioned this . It's kind of like from their prospective responding to religion like " Your villain is a rebel who wants to be free , and your calling nonconformist free people sinners and are going to Hell ? Well Hell must be a nice place then. I want in !" And then there was the 1980s Satanic scare. This is where I would say there is a difference between " DEVIL WORSHIP " and Satanism. And no matter how many times Satanists including Anton's daughter was interviewed at the time , they were ignored and booed. And of course who's going to take Bob Larson seriously , a guy who turned his religion into a money making scam and having actors playing sinners in his badly acted exorcisms ( which are hilarious and how can anyone take his staged garbage seriously ? Nonsense ! )
Anyway... There's history of Anton's daughter quitting Satanism and later became a Buddhist and got into more light spirituality and things were getting ugly between her , the Lavey's and The Church of Satan. Rumors said that Anton was being attacked by dark entities and crying out to God which were his final words.

Which brings me to the very point. Do I believe that there is a Hell ? I do not believe in the biblical versions of Heaven and Hell because I believe those can be achieved on Earth right now , and perhaps we have both now. However perceptive you want to look at it. If it is what it is or if it's a spiritual fight of good over evil and that's why we are here... Everyone has an opinion on that.
But I do believe where there is spirit guides , universe , angel numbers .... there's dark entities. I EXPERIENCED THIS PERSONALLY when me and my Twin Flame started having problems ! I got wrong advice from false Twin Flame guru scam artists online for one. Then I read the books "Dark Side of Cupid" and "Alien Love Bite" and all of this energy was hurting my Twin Flame. Also I had a neighbor who I think was practicing Black Magick and had a dark spirit try to choke me with a necklace that shattered in my hands... It was scary ! But my spirit guides helped me around Christmas eve a few years ago.
Perhaps as a lightworker / Twin Flame it's common.

In conclusion the original Holy books need to be translated for modern times as literature , philosophy , history and perhaps whatever could be found like spirituality. But of course there was bad people that hacked into the book. I believe that Jesus Christ was a spiritual teacher , philosopher but not this magical humanoid that church talks about. lol It's almost like that a Monty Python and The Life of Brain situation , tell people philosophy at that time and they would think your God or related to God. But maybe as a lightworker ... but the so called founders of religion ( which didn't come until after his murder on the cross right ? Christianity ? ) That's the thing . However there are cult leaders who want world domination , perhaps they feel that evil is the easy way. Perhaps these kind of psychopaths / sociopaths are the very leaders of the secret societies related to The New World Order. That I would call a human version of Satan / Lucifer.
Though that's the two human versions of that.
I say it's low energy and high energy of love is stronger than hate and fear. :)

freedmftr88: Satan / Lucifer theory

Similar to a comment I've made awhile back

Satan / Lucifer ( Probably one in the same or not ) has two theories from what I've observed .
There's the intuitive rebel which I've mentioned , likewise relating to the origins of Anton LaVey and his take on Satanism which is more of an anti-religion and almost to the point of anarchism like on the lines of just " Be human " . More philosophical than political .This idea itself is interesting. I'm not a Satanist myself but I always find something interesting about an intuitive based idea that thinks outside the box which that's pretty much what The Church of Satan represents . There is Devil Worshiping and the whole Satanic scare in the 1980s but I would say that is more on the lines of Black Magick / Dark side of the occult. They have called themselves Satanists but The Church of Satan begs to differ.

I'm not sure if the idea of Satan / Lucifer was an invention of hierarchical authority which might as well have been not only the authors of the bible but also the murderers of Jesus Christ which gives them freedom to discredit him and use him as a tool for the majority to obey. Today we have proof easily about pretty much anything , more so thanks to the internet. But back then , authority would try to destroy as much evidence against them as possible. But of course there's leaks.

But I definitely think there is a dark universe as well as a universe of light . It's interesting how someone can connect to spirit guides the same exact way with human friendly demons but of course demons are double crossers .

How is there one big evil God aka Satan / Lucifer ? Same goes with a one entity of good " God , Allah , whatever ". Though what I do know being an empath of all sorts relating to New Age / New Thought Spirituality , perhaps both energies are abstract and fluid like a collective of past souls. Good souls are angels and they are a mix of ex-humans or non-earth born souls. Perhaps the same could be said about the firely underword .

I personally don't think there's a specific utopia / dystopia of Heaven & Hell afterlife but perhaps several abstract aspects that are pretty much the same thing including life on Earth which is both that Ying and Yang perhaps battling each other as well as afterlife.

Perhaps with the goal of the crash of the Illuminati and The New World Order which will develop into a 5D Earth which is like a free society but pure unconditional love.

freedmftr88: Is Energy an Entity ? Or Magnetic Atoms through thoughts ?

I think what is questionable regarding the forces of good vs evil is , is it a human invention based upon what is provided consciously or unconsciously what is wanted vs what is not wanted or does ENERGY take on a life of it's own . New Thought basically states that energy is created by human thoughts and feelings. So if the dawn of time of Earth was symbolized as this big blank energy sphere and everything and life itself with the mix of positive energy and negative energy , would life itself ( aka why life is the way it is ) basically be the collective of all thoughts and feelings ? And when it comes to the individuals , whatever is on their individual mind , they are going to attract. So is energy just that ? Magnet atoms of energy controlled by humans ( and perhaps animals too in their limited capacity , of survival needs , fight vs flight ) ? OR is there indeed ex-human spirits which are angels in which they bring forth empath spirits such as old souls , starseeds , indigo / cyrstal , twin flames , lightworkers , heyoka : sacred clowns , rainbow children , etc to Earth to help with the ascension transition to 5D Earth just by transmitting unconditional love energy to the world. Obviously like energy will influence because if someone is in a depressed state then no one wants to be around that other person , but if someone is smiling and in a good moon , people would immediately feel drawn to their positive energy. ( Unless it's a fake smile and their Aura is telling a completely different story ) . It's all intuition. Clearing Chokras and healing wounded karma brings forth a clearer connection , especially if it's telepathy to spirit guides.

I think a big question to ask is , is there a leading big entity that represents conscious positive high vibrational energy as well as one entity that represents dark energy , low vibrational Ego , etc ?
Or is it a collective of energy and ex-souls mixed in ? Or perhaps both . Kind of like the symbolism of a While and a big conforming school of fish feeding off it ?

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