A Good Religion, But It Still Doesn't Add Up

Christianity no doubt has its positive and admirable qualities as a religion, however, as with most positives there are always some negatives and Christianity definitely has a lot of pieces that are sloppy and do not add up.

by Quinton on August 10th, 2008

I will precede this opinion stating that I was, as most Americans are, born and raised as a Christian. Although I wouldn't consider myself a Christian at my current stage, I must say that it definitely has some outstanding philosophical teachings and the things Jesus taught are by far some of the most powerful words I have ever read.

Christianity's ability to change people for the better

One of the things I respect most about Christianity is the way it really can turn people's lives around for the positive. Alcoholic? Trouble with people? Can't hold a job? Well Christians want you and will accept you. I think because of this Christianity is one of the most helpful religions.

I'm not like most atheists or non-Christians where I will come out bashing Christianity because it has a few faults and things that don't make sense. I fully respect its ability to change people into loving, outstanding people that genuinely seek their higher self and become an all around better person. No matter how false some of the teachings of Christianity may be, these aspects are very real.

If you understand that people come from all different situations in life and that not all people are dealt the same hand, it becomes easy to see why Christianity (and other religions) is beneficial to them.

Allow me elaborate with a hierarchy:

Level 4 - Spiritual and Conscious
Level 3 -- Christianity
Level 2 --- Can't Quite Hold A Job
Level 1 ---- Complete Disaster, No Job, Drunk, Asshole, etc

As you can see, from the perspective of Level 4 Christianity may look a bit sloppy, but from the perspective of Level 2 or Level 1 it is actually quite attractive and beneficial. For these people I find Christianity (and other religions where they gain) meaningful. The problem is, once they have gained the Level 3 from Christianity they should probably head for Levels 4 and higher.

The problem with Christians is that 99% of them don't reach for a level higher than their current level. They think anything outside the Bible is bringing them further away from God.

Problems with Christianity

Adam and Eve

The whole Adam and Eve story as presented by Christians doesn't make sense and ISN'T scriptural! The story has nothing to do with a freaking apple and everything to do with aliens, genetic manipulation and the world leaders operating behind the scenes in this very day and age. The Bible is very clear in talking about eating of the tree of knowledge and knowing good and evil. I don't know where this apple crap came from (probably the same energy this very passage talks about) but it is entirely destroying one of the most important parts of the entire Bible.

Angels

Angels are most often extraterrestrials. Christians have no problem seeing angels as spiritual beings with wings, but they can't bring themselves to believe the much more accurate and enlightening reality of angels being aliens. They are simply people from another planet. That to me just is much easier to swallow than all this spiritual angel stuff. While I do believe that there are spiritual angels, or messengers, I find that majority of the accounts of angels in the Bible refer to a physical form. I mean seriously, what's more likely to happen: A supernatural spiritual force, the Holy Spirit, came unto Mary and conceived her a child, or... an alien from another planet implanted Mary with some cells via advanced science.

Heaven and Hell

We are now living in a bit more of a technical era that has a better understanding of reality than the primitive minds of the Biblical times did. Not only is the idea of only one Heaven and one Hell NOT scriptural, it is also extremely limiting and a terrible way to spend eternity. There are so many problems with this I don't even know where to begin.

We already know there are many degrees of Heaven so there isn't one catch all place that groups everyone together:

"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
John 14:2

Reincarnation is a more accurate description of the afterlife. Not only is it extremely logical but it is also becoming more and more scientific every day. Our understanding of parallel universes and split realities shows how it becomes hard to even define us as just a simple spirit and that is it. Are we not all connected and part of a greater energy? The idea of 2 incarnations makes no sense at all. Why 2? Why not 3? Why not 1? Why not the more universal quantity of infinite ala reincarnation?

Then there is also the perspective of Heaven just sucking entirely bad if there was no growth or learning. Why would you want to go somewhere where there is nothing else to work towards? I like the idea of infinite higher realms (or many mansions as taught in the Bible) much more.

Jesus / Salvation

I have struggled with Jesus for a while and still can't come to believe that he died for my sins, or anyone elses.

First of all, how do you even define sin? From our perspective it may be a sin, but from an energy perspective it is simply an expression.

Another frustration is that the only place that talks about this is the Bible. For example, I asked on a Christian message board the following questions: "Can Somebody Explain Salvation Without Using Biblical Scripture?"

Most of the answers said the Bible explains it. Obviously this answer doesn't sit well with me because it is possible to answer questions about God and the afterlife without the Bible, why then not also questions of Jesus? And as an even funnier side questions, why is their "interpretation" of salvation correct, but they are so freaking sloppy on so many other aspects of the Bible?

Some other answers I heard were analogies and things talking about how we need somebody to help us because we have messed up. These types of answers do nothing for a person like me. Oh well.

The best explanation I have heard about us needing Jesus is from my Dad of all people :) (he is a hardcore Jesus guy). I will need to talk to him again and report what he said in his own words. This explanation also requires a lot of homework on my part so it may be a while before I report back.

My current view of Jesus

My current view on Jesus is that he was a very spiritual/enlightened guy and probably had advanced E.T. (Elohim) genetics which enabled him to live a very spiritual life. I think the idea of him being the way to God and heaven was more just the idea that you should follow what he does and do what he does. He is doing things right by loving people and being forgiving and that he should be our example, ie: the way. I think the interpretation of him dying for our sins was added in by the Roman Church to create the duality of heaven and hell which has only led to years and years of control over the people via fear.

I also have heard about all the astrological things about him and his 12 disciples. While all this does make sense and is quite possible, I don't think it negates Jesus being an actual real person. I can not find enough evidence to support him not being real. It is possible for there to be the astrological/enhanced part of the Bible talking about Jesus, but also the enlightened person part of Jesus. After a lot and lot of thought about this whole thing it looks like Jeus is another confusion job created by the Roman Church to mix things up as much as possible.

Conclusion

The fact that Christians can't even sync their religion with their very own Bible should raise some eyebrows immediately. I mean, if the Bible is the book of Christianity and the inspired word of God why is Christianity so far from it with sloppy interpretations? These are fundamental questions that Christians should be asking that they simply are not, pass!

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inanna17: Why did an all powerful god have to ask where Adam and Eve were?

Does anyone else wonder why god had to ask where Adam and Eve were after they 'committed' the act of eating from the Tree of Knowledge? Even as a 7 year old, I could not grasp the fact that an all knowing, all seeing, all judging god couldn't even see his 'creation' (clone) in the Garden of Eden.

But for Adam no suitable helper was found. (What about his first wife, Lilith?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

Even then, the male gods were afraid of strong, sexual, warrior women. What is it that makes these fellas so scared?

21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh.

22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

"This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, ' for she was taken out of man." (Genetic manipulation)

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Genesis 3

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." (meaning, free will, at least in my eyes)

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" (WHERE ARE YOU? Hey god, we are at Disneyland - come join us)

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"

The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,

"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

16 To the woman he said,

"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." ( Ahhh, such a warm and fuzzy passage).

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'

"Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life." (Just another way of controlling his 'children' (clones)

18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.

19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. (Because he had a hissy fit and wanted his way.)

kwamerica: Same question to us someday if not today

That was a nice way of communicating with his creation especially us, when we get to read those words.

He has not been asleep. He is watching us all. One day He will ask you and me the same question . Where are you?

what will be your answer?

inanna17: Watching us all?

Why does he have to ask? Is he not all seeing, all knowing, omnipotent?

I do not answer to a monotheistic patriarchal religious doctrine. The god you are speaking of does not exist. We are all Gods - not just one.

It still does not answer my question. Why did he have to ask where they were? And why does he not strike me dead right now because I don't believe in him?

I see our paths run in very different directions. I know when to walk away from a futile exchange of ideas.

I wish you peace, love and the understanding that we are all one - and not ruled by just one.

FRODO: jesus, salvation, a different perspective.

Just in relation to the idea that Jesus died for our sins...like all scripture, I belive it is not ment to be a literal idea, more a parrable, on how we should live. Im not sure if any one has heard of the theory that Christ traveled to the east, Afganistan, Pakistan, India, and Nepal, during his missing years, but this suggests that a Jewish ascetic(Jesus) would have been influenced by the scriptures of Buddism during the height of its growth, (all these countrys were buddist nations during the time of Christ.)
The main tenent of Buddhism is that there is no ego... and the goal is to remove the illusion of ego. Second, compassion is the only true emotional state in which one is able to achive enlightenment.
May it be, I suggest, that unshaken in his Jewish faith yet instilled with a new perspective, the Christ returned to his home and began his mission...... his message,
love one another.
be humble, (the meek shall inherit the earth).
and of course.... self sacrifice, not as a suicide pact, but as the notion that we should give of our selves, that we should serve others needs before our own.
So in the greatest metaphorical statement in the history of history...
He allowed himself to be tortured and crucified.
why? because the Christ was an enlightened human, he had no ego and had joined in union with the omniverse, what he called God his father.
Just a thought.
by the way I am neither a Christian nor a beliver in one almighty powerful God, so for all you true belivers out there, sorry if I offend, this is just one more heresy, Im sure youll cope just fine.

King Christ of Earth: Right, Religion! Roflmmfgdao!!!

The "Father", God (Godda) a male extraterrestrial and Doctor of Medicine, whom sits on the Universal Council, representing the Angelic Race and looks like the BE'ing in the Earth movie "Cocoon"!

The "Son", Jesus of Nazareth, a very dark skinned Human BE'ing, cloned and inseminated into a woman, "Mary of Jerusalem", by Godda, and a product of artificial insemination from DNA brought back through Time, DNA from the abduction of "Betty and Barney" and sexual technology learned from various exploratory missions, from His, "Jesus'", future and Our past, by the Greys, a Race capable of bending Time and represented by "Einstien", a Grey and the most intelligent BE'ing in Our Universe!

The "Holy Spirit", also KNOWN as the Creator of creation, an "IT" and the "Soul" of Jesus of Nazareth, only because the technology of moving and transplanting a "Soul" did not exist at the time of his creation, therefore "Enlightened" with the existence of the Creator!

For the specific purpose of giving "Hope" to the Human Race, because of the accidental Marooning of Satan, a "Demon" and friend of Godda's, accidentally marooned on Earth, when an exploratory mission went awry and the Earths altered trajectory, (caused by an asteroid that hit Earth millions of years ago and expunged the Dinosaurs), created an insanity in them both and caused their mortality to "De-evolve" and their ego's to primitively flair at one an other, creating a situation where Godda left Satan on Earth to Die, and Satan's Mortality decayed into the dust of this planet, but his entity or spirit was trapped by the Physics of this World!

Satan did the only thing he KNEW and created chaos and calamity in hopes of attracting attention to this World for a rescue he KNEW could happen as a result of his KNOWLEDGE of Sentient BE'ings in this Universe. Unfortunately the Human Race was in the way!

This is why Extraterrestrials KNOW that the Human Race is insane and that we are Sentient, for they found out through this accident that an altered trajectory causes insanity in a Sentient BE'ings mind and traps the Soul or spirit on the planet through it's physics of rotation as a result of this altered trajectory! The spirits are Sane and are guided by the "Lord of Light" (Jesus of Nazareth) to help with the Human Race's evolution, however the Entity marooned here causes Damnation and Eternal Destruction if not defended against by the tools taught by the Human Spiritual leaders of existence here on Earth! There are many, and the have a hierarchy in their existence in the Spiritual Realm!

So at this point in Time, the representatives in the council have discovered a way to get a Sentient Soul off of a "wobbly" World and are on their way here to rescue Satan! Because they, "The Greys" have the ability to bend time with their Ships, they have seen that Earth has been set on a course of eradication by the Creator, and that the Human Races existence is in jeopardy. They are willing to help us and the Ship, (The War Machine) is empty and capable of moving a civilization!

I sit on this council of Universal Extraterrestrial Sentience representing the Human Race only because this Race, the Human Race, put a man on the Moon "Niel Armstrong" and broke a Universal barrier of planetary travel. The rest of the Universe needed to KNOW us!
I was chosen because of my upbringing by parents who were judged by the Creator and proved to be and hold the necessary character of guidance to put me in the position of this representation for Our Race! I was Crowned "King of Earth" last year aboard a Starship in front of witnesses from this Universe by the Creator of creation! I vowed an Oath to uphold and obey the "Laws of Creation" and be a servant to the Creator for eternity, as did my shipmates! We take care of and help the Sentient Races of Our Universe in whatever way we can!
Your Representative of your Race,
Christ of Los Angeles, Son of Vernon and King of Earth!
I HAVE SEEN OUR FUTURE!

bluesbaby5050: SEEN FUTURE---

All you do here is REPEAT THE SAME DELUTIONAL CRAP !!! AND MY FUTURE -IS -NOT-YOUR FUTURE!! YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED ALREADLY !

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