"Discharging Debts", Is it legit?

This site says yes: https://sites.google.com/site/judicialdeception/birth-certificate-bond

This site says no: http://www.livefreenow.org/educational-materials/irs-myths/watch-out-for...

This one seems to be helping: http://www.tapesite.com/index17.html

It seems to be about IRS Form 1099-OID, which is how you get money from the IRS to discharge your debts on.

Some have been indicted for Fraud for doing this, but there is supposed to be a law allowing us to do this: HJR 192, or Public Law: "Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112"

Some relevant info:
26 USC § 6702 - Frivolous tax submissions: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6702

18 USC § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

What do you know about this?


harleyborgais: some people have gotten in trouble doing it

Obviously that does not mean it is not legal, because people get in trouble for not paying labor tax, and that it illegal for the IRS to do.

harleyborgais: A person shall pay a penalty of $5,000 if—

(a) Civil penalty for frivolous tax returns
A person shall pay a penalty of $5,000 if—


"(B) reflects a desire to delay or impede the administration of Federal tax laws. "

Does any one else see something wrong here?

If you try to fight a Federal Law that is Unconstitutional, then you can be punished for that.
That is wrong.

Of course, fighting illegal 'laws' is what the point of this effort is all about.

harleyborgais: Some answers I hope

"When the Federal Government took much of our lawful money out of general circulation in 1933, i.e., gold coins, thus leaving an insufficient amount of lawful money in general circulation to meet the needs of the people, i.e., only silver coins remaining, the Congress was required to give the people a remedy. Public Law: "Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112" is that remedy. It states that the Federal Government will pay my debts, dollar for dollar. Note: It doesn't say that the government will pay for anything I desire to buy (like a car), only that it will pay my legitimate debts."

By taking away a State Government's ability to comply with it's Constitutional mandate of paying its debts in gold and silver coin, the Federal Government involuntarily restricted a State Government's ability to function in a de jure capacity. The de jure States went into suspension after the following four acts were committed: (1) the taking of gold coins out of general circulation in 1933, (2) in 1964, the U. S. Mint ceased minting any more silver coins, (3) in 1968, Silver Certificates could no longer be redeemed for silver, and (4) on August 15, 1971, President Nixon closed the Gold Window, thus stopping the redemption of foreign-held dollars for gold. At that point in time, the U. S. Dollar was backed solely by the full faith and credit of the American people, and the States could no longer function in a de jure capacity while in a state of suspension.

The States went into suspension because the Federal Government involuntarily forced the State to pay its officers, judges, employees, etc. with something other than gold and silver coin, which was required by the State Constitution.

Since the Federal Government took away the gold coin money in 1933, thus causing the States to suspend operations by preventing them from honoring their obligation to pay their debts in gold and silver coin, then there had to be a remedy. "Chap 48, 48 Stat. 112" is the remedy, not just for the States, but also for the sovereign men and women who created the States. Until gold and silver coinage is reinstated in sufficient quantities for general circulation, that remedy cannot be repealed. Congress may have repealed some parts of "HJR-192", or even all of it, because "HJR-192" is merely a resolution for Congress and its subjects. However, the true remedy is provided to the people by Public Law: "Chap 48, 48 Stat. 112".

a well-known "patriot attorney" who specializes in tax matters has worked hard to intentionally mislead sovereign men and women into believing that their remedy has been repealed. HOGWASH!!! He's talking about a subject's remedy by resolution, not a sovereign's remedy by Public Law.


Heres more:

"The Federal Reserve act (1913, Chap. 6, 38, Stat. 251) states: Federal Reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Fed...for the pupose of making advances to Fed..banks through fed...agents...and for NO OTHER PURPOSE! ...They shall be redeemed in gold on demand at the Treasury Department..."


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