Debate to Unity of Religions, Spirituality, and Science

I was reading in my "Living Religions" book by Mary Pat Fisher, I will post what I found in case anyone else was wondering or interested.

I don't remember which one of you was talking about this (I think it was Annunaki77) but, you said something about God being within all of us that there is no need to look outside ourselves for salvation or to feel complete. I also recall something about how when we die heaven becomes what we imagined to see after death. In relation to that I found this: Ludwig Feuerback "reasoned that deities are simply projections, objectifications of human qualities such as power, wisdom, and love onto an imagined cosmic deity outside ourselves. Then we worship it as Supreme and do not recognize that those same qualities lie within ourselves; instead, we see ourselves as weak and sinful."
What I take from this as Annu77 I think said is that --even if there is a God who we believe is a powerful, loving, creating God; we shouldn't wait around for life to happen and feel completely hopeless to our perceived "flaws or shortcomings" because we all have spiritual abilities that sometimes just need to be tapped into. We have the ability to create and do great things for we are in Him/Her and He/Her is in us.

Again, I'm not trying to discount anyone's belief just offer up some info I found for the sake of knowledge and two sides to a multi-faceted story. I myself am keeping an open mind about all of this even though I don't necessarily agree with it all. Take from it as you wish or need.

Here is another quote by Mata Amritanandamayi, a contemporary Indian spiritual teacher: " Faith in God gives one the mental strength needed to confront the problems of life. Faith in the existence of God makes one feel safe and protected from all the evil influences of the world. To have faith in the existence of a Supreme Power and to live accordingly is a religion. When we become religious, morality arises, which, in turn, will help to keep us away from malevolent influences. We won't drink, we won't smoke, and we will stop wasting our energy through unnecessary gossip and talk. ... We will also develop qualities like love, compassion, patience, menial equipoise, and other positive traits. These will help us to love and serve everyone equally. ... Where there is faith, there is harmony, unity and love. A nonbeliever always doubts. ... He cannot be at peace; he's restless. ... The foundations of his entire life is unstable and scattered due to his lack of faith in a higher principle."

I personally think that even if someone has faith they can still at times doubt, feel restless, and do some of the "bad" things listed above. But if there really is not one God and having faith in this God still brings about those "good" qualities, then what is the problem? At the very least the person lived with love towards themselves and others. Frederick Streng, an influential scholar of comparative religion, proposed that the central definitions of religion is that it is a "means to ultimate transformation." and uses Mahatma Gandhi as an example who's transformation into one of the great political figures of the twentieth century occurred as he meditated single-mindedly on the great Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita, particularly the second chapter, which he says was "inscribed on the tablet of my heart." It reads, in part:
'He is forever free who has broken
Out of the ego-cage of I and mine
To be united with the Lord of Love.
This is the supreme state. Attain thou this
And pass from death to immortality.'

Jiddu Krishnamurti wrote: "It appears that throughout the world man [sic] has always been seeking something beyond his own death, beyond his own problems, something that will be enduring, true and timeless. He has called it God, he has given it many names; and most of us believe in something of that kind, without ever actually experiencing it."

Even science has always questioned its own assumptions and theories, and scientists have given up trying to find absolute certainties.

There doesn't need to be a conflict between either science or religion. For both can be used to further understand the other or co-occurring together in harmony. This is called Creation Theology.

"Creation theology refers to any kind of reflection on God and the world as a whole, or the elements of the world. It is interested in the nature of nature, and the nature of humanity, and the interplay of the two. It understands God as the continual, creative Presence in the world. ... [The religious] who accept the logic of evolution theory should be relieved to learn that embracing a theology of creation in no way requires a suspension of rational thought or scientific integrity. The ancients paid attention to nature and their environment--they were astute observers in their own right; so much of the sense we can detect in the [biblical story of creation] results from their own grasp of natural history." -Elen Bernstein

In the words of Albert Einstein: "The most beautiful and profound emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms--this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness. ... A human being is part of the whole. ... He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. ... Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures, and the whole [of] nature in its beauty."

In my opinion: This means that no religion or way of believing is neither good nor bad, superior or inferior; just different ways to get to the same Love, experience, or Divine, knowledge, or feeling beyond the self; whatever you may call it, however you may believe it, however if ever you may worship. All this conflict amongst religions and groups; dogma, is only causing more separations between "brothers" and "sisters". It not only defiles the sacred and pure, but misses the constant theme in all of our basic beliefs, that we should love and accept each other as we are for who we are even if we don't completely agree with all the practices of the other. Always Love Truth and Peace to you.

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RickyJG: debate

I believe we are all connected to the same energy source which many of us call God..What rings true for one will not always ring true for another but we all have the same power residing within. We are all part of the oneness and even though each physical form is its own world nevertheless we are connected to the same energy and we all breath the same air..We really don't need to try and free ourselves from anything all we need to do is to learn to reside and connect to our peace that lies within our heart..Love defines all of us duality does not exist it is only a matter of what the individual body form thinks at the moment.. By learning to control our thoughts and connecting our mind to our spirit directly we become as God. In between words lies a silence and in that silence many will find the peace that they are searching for its in the nothingness that all can be found..In every breath you take you can find your peace rather then keeping it for yourself give it away and in giving it away you will find the true meaning of compassion for all..Thanks for your post I really appreciate your wisdom..Jiddu Krisnamurti is one of my all time favorite teachers..PeaceBeBlessed..RJG

Starperson: Divine connection, good vibrations

Everyone has a different path in this life. No one path is more true or correct than another. I believe any spiritual journey that originates from the love in your heart, is a path worth following.

Both good posts. Inspiring teachings and lessons. Love and light.

Tarheel: Great post & commentary.

Insightful. This Forum is evolving. Quinton must be happy.
I would say Edi & Anu77 are too.

Peace/Synchronicity/Free Will/Harmony/LOVE....

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