Was the Jewish Holocaust of WWII a Lie? You Decide.

by Carl-V on July 15th, 2015

I've read quite a bit about the alleged "Jewish Holocaust" of WWII and believe it was one of the largest if not the largest lie of recorded history. What do you think?

For the latest news concerning the 'Holohoax'; See: https://endzog.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/german-television-exposes-holoho...

One of URSULA HAVERBECK's videos:

Heres' a another shorter video, mostof which is in English:

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Quinton: When you say lie could you go

When you say lie could you go more into detail on that? Do you think the entire thing was a fabrication? Do you think parts of it were lies? What specifically do you think and why?

Carl-V: A lie?

I can think of no one better to answer your question than Frau Haverbeck in the above video. I agree with everything that she has to say. I hope that you watch in its entirety.

Carl-V: "The Holocaust".

Let me ask you if you think that "The Holocaust" was a l lie Quinton. I know of no other historical event that is illegal to deny or search the truth of, other than the alleged "Holocaust". That fact in itself proves it to be a lie. Frau Haverbeck and two of her colleague's were arrested several days after the above video was broadcast, their homes were trashed and searched for records. Why would any one let alone any country deny the research of a true historical event? The answer is , they wouldn't. There are now 16 or 17 country's that have made it a crime punishable by prison to research the "Holocaust".

I hope that you will answer my question as to what you think about the truth or the lie that is called "The Holocaust".

Quinton: The Holocaust is a huge

The Holocaust is a huge topics with lots of things leading in and out of it. Was Hitler a lie? Was World War II a lie? Was Operation Paperclip a lie? Was 6,000,000 Jews killed a lie? Was Christians killed a lie? Was the creation of the State of Israel a lie? Was it really Jews being killed? Who was doing the killing? Was there killing? Why the word holocaust? And on and on. There's a lot of pieces to it that need to be looked at on their own merit in my view.

I will say that I'm sure there is a ton of BS and manipulation going on behind the whole event just like most events past and present. I've heard many people, such as Myron Fagan, mention that the number of "Jews" killed was much, much lower than the 6 million we are commonly told. I also think it is terrible that people are met with such hostility when they question the official story of the holocaust and try to find answers to what really happened. I think there is more lie to it than truth. Knowing what I know about 9/11 and the way they branded that entire event I'm sure Nazi Germany and the Holocaust were also similarly branded. The exact details and to the degree of the manipulation I don't know.

pasqualie: Whether you want to believe or not

Alot of Jews were killed by hitler. There are death camps and documents verifying this in europe.

It wasnt only jews hitler killed but most were jews. But he also exterminated gypsies, and homosexuals, and other minority groups as well which he thought didnt belong in his vision of the Aryan race. Disputing the number really serves no purpose. Its a pointless arguement which in essence only propagates more hatred and anger.

It wasnt only hitler that committed atrocities. Its less publicized because less people know about it but its the reason why there is alot of hostility in asia towards the Japanese.

They did horrible things to human beings also. Its where the americans learned about human research because the japanese were infecting chinese, koreans and anyone else they got into their live research labs to see what diseases like syphillis, hepatitis, malaria and much more did when allowed to go their complete phase and what symptoms human beings went through as they were eventually allowed to die from what they were infected with in the experiment. Japanese also coralled populations into churches and burned them, and shot anyone who ran out. For Koreans they took all the males 15 and up and threw them into the front lines against the americans. Its why alot of Koreans ran away to china and russia and why those countries have large korean populations.

So discussing what happened in war and denying people died really serves no purpose.

History has shown groups do try to exterminate other groups. We saw this in europe between serbia and bosnia, and even in rwanda between different tribal groups.

If you cherry pick which ones happened or dispute numbers, well what purpose is that. The events happened. Whether its 2 million or 6 million or 500 thousand it doesnt diminish the tragedy of it. It only exemplifies what hate can do when a mad man leads a country and military, as well as what man has been doing since the discovery of fire, with technology the emphasis has been on how to kill more people more efficiently and quickly.

Also it propagates hate for what ever agenda those people have in discussing such useless topics. As well look at the people who embrace such ideologies, its right wing skin heads and fascists. Those groups do not embrace anything close to unity consciousness, but seek to divide and promote separation. As well it does nothing to raise your consciousness and vibration of energy.

Crackdown: It should also be mentioned

It should also be mentioned that there were lots of jews in SS (e.g. Adolf Eichmann) . But I fully agree with Bluesbaby: making the future is better than watching the past...

bluesbaby5050: Don't dwell on the past. Only learn from the past

And let us never repeat those mistakes of those world leaders again. Don't invest your energy in the past, reliving those crimes against humanity, only remember them, and instead invest your energies positively towards our new future.

Quinton: Agreed

Agreed

Carl-V: The future.

"What's past is prologue". William Shakespeare

obsrvantlouie: Some people need to invest

Energy in the past.....more times than not, finding and discerning the unofficial stories of our 'past' is motivation to create the new future you mention.

Without proper understanding of the past the future is doomed to fail. Of course it's cliche but it's dam true.

Is it negative to investigate M Tsarions work of the past? Is it enlightening to find out how we have been manipulated by the "Medes" for generations via symbolism and astrology and numerology?

Wether it's 9/11, sandy hook, Fukushima, WW2 or whatever....odds are the investigator won't find kisses, hugs and roses. But by understanding how the PTB manipulate events is crucial to removing your mind from their perspective and sway which eventually enables you to form your own point of view.

Investigating some the past was some of the hardest and frightening research of my life but I wouldn't be near the man I today had I not pushed through it.

I don't think it's wise to advise anyone not to investigate the past.

Becoming obsessed with one subject at the expense of the now and the future is not recommended but to be a scholar of the unofficial history of our past (Robert Morning Sky, David Icke, Eustice Mullins, Jordan Maxwell, Bill Cooper, Michael Tsarion).....these are men to be admired and apparently the last of a dying breed of people who dared to speak about the truths they have found.

I think we need more people talking about the past.....I think it's far easier to create the "new" future by opening peoples eyes to the atrocities of the past and working your way towards the atrocities of the present.

If you tell a sheep that the all seeing eye controls the world they will laugh at you in skepticism and denial. But if you show them the video "secrets in plain sight".....and lay an historical foundation you may be able to open their mind enough to discuss the conspiracies of today.

If you tell someone about 9/11 conspiracy they may laugh but if you can point to historical false flags like the Reichstag fire and gulf of Tonkin perhaps they would be more inclined to hear what you have to say.

Also, by understanding the past you can observe the progress of an agenda set in place a long long time ago.

bluesbaby5050: Like I already said.....

LEARN from the past, and then don't dwell on it. The lessons that we all learn from the past also helps us build a better future for generations to come.

HebrianDaniel: its wasnt lie i met with many

its wasnt lie i met with many survivors in israel and they said their family got killed by nazis in ghettos.

Carl-V: Justice.
Carl-V: What do you think?
Carl-V: The future.

"What's past is prologue" William Shakespeare

Quinton: Can you summarize your

Can you summarize your thoughts without a video Carl-V?

Carl-V: My thoughts

I try to find truthful videos that do a much better job of summarizing my thoughts than I can do myself. If they bother you I'll stop posting them.

Tim Lovell: Carl you seem you seem to

Carl you seem you seem to repeatedly say you lack the ability to communicate your thoughts why?

Tim Lovell: Carl I am not a psychologist

Carl I am not a psychologist , but I summarise that your parents had anti semitic views and thierfore passed them onto you , it is not your fault but this may be the case, I suggest you seek counselling .

Tim Lovell: The throuble is that those

The throuble is that those incoming souls who have the highest intentions may be subject to regressive influences and be turned `bad` after their memory is wiped at birth.

Tim Lovell: Carl you are like me and most

Carl you are like me and most who lack the ability in these genetically limited bodies to communicate your ideas , back when you had 12 strands of DNA intacarn to adapt t back in Lyra or the
Pleidies etc it was easy , but now you come to Earth and are in this 2 strand DNA body it is not
so easy is it? It was so easy back then when you communicated via the language of light and
information was translated instalty , now though on Earth it is not so easy ?
Learn to adapt and remember your past Carl.

Tim.

Carl-V: The truth?

Tim Lovell: My parents were both Telosians and lived with the Atlans years before and after WWII. My parents helped the Nazi's during and after the war. I was born in the US and was 'brought up' in an orphanage. My parents did visit me for several weeks each year. My parents religion had no name that I know of. The Greek translation of the word "religion" is roughly "to seek the truth". I try to seek the truth. I came upon this site as I said in a previous post, while searching the writings of Eustace Mullins, a very serious truth seeker. The name of this site "Truth Control" led me to believe the folks here were also engaged in seeking the truth. I feel that I was wrong. Could it be that "Truth Control" means just what it says(?) i.e., controlling the truth. I don't know, but from the responses that I have seen from my posts, I feel unwelcome. Thank you for your advice.

bluesbaby5050: So Carl.... your saying your related to the SAME Telosians.....

That live inside Mount Shasta? If this is the same people, then they really do live inside Mount Shasta, and this has been widely known for many years now. I have posted pictures of these people. They look human except for the shape of their heads. Please correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks.

bluesbaby5050: Carl-V.......Here's some history of the Telosians

Telosians

The subterranean ‘extraterrestrials’ are described to be remnants of previous human civilizations on the Earth’s surface such as Lemuria and Atlantis and are thus genetically related to humanity. The most famous description of one of these ancient races is found in the posthumously published ‘diaries’ of Admiral Richard Byrd who describes a secret expedition to the North Pole where he was taken into the subterranean dwelling of an advanced race with Nordic physical characteristics. He was shown some of the wondrous technology of this society and also met the leader of this advanced subterranean race who allegedly said:

'We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral' … you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth…. Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the "Flugelrads", to your surface world to investigate what your race had done…. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.'

While there continues to be controversy over the veracity of Admiral Byrd’s diaries, there are a number of reported encounters with representatives of an advanced subterranean human race. A large subterranean city called Telos is argued to lie below Mt Shasta, California and has been described by individuals who have either physically traveled to this city and witnessed it, or those who claim to have telepathically communicated with the occupants of this city. Prominent UFO researcher, William Hamilton, claims to have met representatives of Telos who described to him the advanced technology and structure of Telos and their connection to the former civilization of Lemuria. Hamilton described a Telosian, ‘Bonnie’, and her family as follows:

Bonnie, her mother (Rana Mu), her father (Ra Mu), her sister Judy, her cousins Lorae and Matox, live and move in our society, returning frequently to TELOS for rest and recuperation. Bonnie relates that her people use boring machines to bore tunnels in the Earth. These boring machines heat the rock to incandescence, and then vitrify it, thus eliminating the need for beams and supports. A tube transit tunnel is used to connect the cities that exist in various subterranean regions in our hemisphere. The tube trains are propelled by electromagnetic impulses up to speeds of 2500 mph. One tube connects with one of their cities in the Matto Grosso jungle of Brazil. They grow food hydroponically under full-spectrum lighting with their gardens attended by automatons. The food and resources of Telos are distributed in plenty to the million-and- a-half population that thrives on a no-money economy.

According to the Dianne Robbins, who claims to have telepathically communicated with the Telosians, they are the remnants of the Ancient Lemuria who made Mt Shasta their home after the destruction of their continent. Originally numbering 15,000, this Lemurian remnant has apparently flourished in the underground caverns of Mt Shasta and grown to a population of 1.5 million where psychotronic technologies, involving crystals and the highly developed mental abilities of the Telosians, are used to maintain an incredibly advanced society that interacts with extraterrestrials from a number of star systems. The Telosians are reported to specialize in maintaining human longevity, and integrating harmonious technologies and belief systems for surface based humans. The Telosians and other subterranean ‘extraterrestrials’ seek to curtail the most damaging aspects of human-extraterrestrial technological agreements while assisting in the evolutionary growth in human consciousness. The main activities of the Telosians can be inferred to be in helping surface humanity learn of its ancient Earth history, restore human longevity, changing unhealthy belief systems and protecting the environment. The global solutions provided by the Telosians include: environmental protection; promoting bio-diversity; restoring human health and longevity; and recovery of lost historical knowledge.

The ‘off-world’ human looking extraterrestrial have been claimed to have provided some of the genetic material for human evolution, and that many of these extraterrestrials have allowed some of their personnel to incarnate as ‘star seeds’ on Earth in human families. These ‘star seeds’, ‘star children’ or ‘star people’ are described by Brad and Francie Steiger as individuals whose ‘souls’ were formally incarnated on the worlds of other star systems and then traveled to Earth and decided to incarnate here in order to boost the evolutionary development of humanity. Most of humanity would consider this group of extraterrestrials to be ‘benevolent’ as described by ‘contactees’ such as George Adamski, Orfeo Angelucci, George Van Tassell, Howard Menger, Paul Villa, Billy Meier and Alex Collier who each explain the nature of their voluntary interactions with these human looking extraterrestrials. These contactees often provide physical evidence in the form of photographs, film and/or witnesses of their contacts with extraterrestrial races. The most extensively documented and researched contactee is Eduard ‘Billy’ Meier who provided much physical evidence for investigators. These off world human extraterrestrial races appear to have different ‘specialties’ as a result of unique histories and planetary migrations due to galactic upheavals and conflicts. It is worth exploring the main activities of each race to understand how they either currently interact with humanity or how they may better interact with humanity to address global problems.

Tim Lovell: Carl, calm down , you are not

Carl, calm down , you are not the only one who came to this earth to help , trust me , we have all sorts here even draco so try to calm down and understand you are NOT the only one OK!

Tim Lovell: Carl you were not wrong

Carl you were not wrong coming to this site it was written , you were meant to be here as were we all , so do not worry about this , speak your truth here and all will hear it .

Tim Lovell: one thing I will ask of you,

one thing I will ask of you, Carl please do not let the delusional predespositions of others predetermine or otherwise dictate in anyway your thinking or otherwise actions , you are worth far more than this , please remember this..

Tim.

Carl-V: Yo mamma.

bluesbaby5050: said: "They look human except for the shape of their heads". Yo mamma.

bluesbaby5050: IT is said that.....

A race that lives along side other races inside of Mount Shasta does have a slightly different shape to their heads, and I DID NOT MAKE THIS UP TO INSULT YOU Carl-V. I will find the picture of the male of his race, and give you his name as well, and BTW he is said to be a leader of his race. Carl, you should never take things personal. This forum is for discussions on many diverse topics, and alien races are but one of those topics. And like Tim Lovell pointed out.... we also have many different hybrids that visit Truth Control from many different alien races. And not all of them are hybrids either. Many of them have visited this forum in the past on Truth Control, some were nice, as well as curious, while others were nasty, and rude, and wanted to argue a lot. Some were indifferent, and they just wanted to share information with us here. So please enjoy your stay, and learn as much as you want to.

Tim Lovell: you fool

you fool

pasqualie: There is no truth in hate and bigotry

The only truth one can observe from hate and bigotry is that it results in separation from themselves, others and from source

Tim Lovell: and btw fuck you you fucking

and btw fuck you you fucking anti semetic Nazi fuck , fuck you go gas your self fuck face.

pasqualie: Tim

he is just a being going through his experience, even though he may be programmed with fear and victimization programs.

thinking if he repeats things or opinions of others that have hate and bigotry, that somehow he will feel more safe and secure, not realizing he becomes that what he fears.

at some point he will on his journey through experience let those false beliefs go, when he has matured enough to raise his consciousness above the fear and separation it teaches.

he is just a wounded soul right now, responding to the world with what he was taught from his peers, teachers and parents growing up, even though they are misguided beliefs. just polarity programming.

i doubt he is an adult also using phrases like your momma.

likely he just a 12-15 year old kid reading too much hate and fear porn on the internet.

pasqualie: Look at it this way Tim

For Carl to hate Jews, on some level he hates himself, only way that energy can manifest inside someone and be projected outward as an expression of inflicting ones own pain on others.

So through his hate he has become that which he hates, because he focus on it so much he has made it equal in what he likes and dislikes

he just hasnt learned even the basic principles of consciousness even yet. he still stuck in victimization and separation programming.

pasqualie: likely he just wants attention and approval

so dont let him push your buttons or even respond to him tim and he will go searching for it elsewhere.

if you engage him, you just bringing yourself down to his energy level and consciousness, and that does you no good.

Carl-V: Jews

I don't hate jews. They were put here for a reason and I understand it.

Quinton: What's the reason?

What's the reason?

Tarheel: I'm sorry, but.....

...that just may be the funniest thing (question) you ever said in forum.
LMAO !

Tarheel: I know the reason.

It was a Jewish dude that invented the Slinky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3tKDEw4Dg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hayCTb3PNk

Actually, it was probably so we could get great movies (Steven Spielberg).
Lighten up, guys!
Peace !!!

Carl-V: Joke.

A Russian joke.

Shortly after the wall came down in '99, it was rumored in Moscow that there was a man in a village near Moscow that was said to be 114 years of age and possibly the worlds oldest living man. So, Russky Action 6 news contacted the man and asked for an interview and he accepted. The reporter brought a camera team and sat down with the old man.

OM= old man
R=reporter

R- My first question to you - which my audience would very much like to know- is, what do you consider to be the main reason for your longevity?

OM- I never argue.

R- Yes I'm sure that has a lot to do with it, but there must be an even greater reason.

OM- I'm sure that you are correct.

Carl-V: Picture.

Bluesbaby5050 said: "A race that lives along side other races inside of Mount Shasta does have a slightly different shape to their heads, and I DID NOT MAKE THIS UP TO INSULT YOU Carl-V. I will find the picture of the male of his race, and give you his name as well, and BTW he is said to be a leader of his race. Carl, you should never take things personal. This forum is for discussions on many diverse topics, and alien races are but one of those topics. And like Tim Lovell pointed out.... we also have many different hybrids that visit Truth Control from many different alien races. And not all of them are hybrids either. Many of them have visited this forum in the past on Truth Control, some were nice, as well as curious, while others were nasty, and rude, and wanted to argue a lot".

Number one - whatever do you mean when you say nasty and rude? Here? Hard to believe.

Number two - I am very glad to hear you say that hybrids of different alien races post here. Alien hybrid's lives matter and I have several questions that I would like to ask them.

Number three - I did feel a bit insulted about the different heads thing, but I'm over it now. I forgive you.

Number four - Please show me the picture of the male Telosian leader. I have a photo of my parents and will consider posting it if you find and post your photo of the Telosian leader. I am very anxious to see it.

Paul Meyers: The holucast

That probably happened, just not in the way we are taught, remember it is always the victors that write history, there have been many on this planet, one of the biggest is when the americas was overran. there will be more until we all learn that we all belong to the same race...human

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