The Lyrans and Vegans - Our Cosmic Human Ancestors who are the ancestral line of all the human races in our Galaxy.

by Chris on June 11th, 2012
The Lyrans and Vegans - Our Cosmic Human Ancestors who are the ancestral line of all the human races in our Galaxy.


It is appropriate to begin the discussion of these ‘off world’ extraterrestrial races and their main activities by focusing on a star system that has been described as the source for the spread of human civilization in the Milky Way galaxy, the constellation of Lyra. One of the first ‘contactees’ to describe Lyra was Billy Meier who received much public attention as a result of his alleged visits from Pleiadians/Plejarans from 1975 to 1986 which he supported with material evidence that continues to confound those skeptical of Meier’s claims. Comprehensive investigations by a number of individuals and organizations found that Meier’s evidence was not fabricated and therefore constituted significant support for his testimony of extraterrestrial contact. Due to the amount of physical evidence he had provided over the years, Meier has gained great credibility, and the consistency and coherence of his testimonies suggest that he is indeed an important spokesperson for an extraterrestrial race.

Meier was told by his Pleiadians contacts of the star system of Lyra and its human inhabitants:

The "Swiss" Pleiadians have described their ancient ancestry, and consequently ours, as originating (before the Pleiades) in a far Star-system in a star group near what we now know as the Ring Nebula of Lyra, for which we have called them Lyrans in the same manner as we refer to the human beings from what we call the Pleiades. These early Lyrans in their numerous migrations in their great Space Arks went to many other star systems and found suitable habitations, and put down colonies, such of which flourished and eventually launched their own space travelers.

Meier further reported of a physical contact with a Lyran ship in 1977 where the Lyrans described their world and the other star systems with whom they cooperated Alex Collier describes the start of the Lyran civilization as revealed to him by extraterrestrials from Andromeda:

Based on the age of the Suns and the planets in our galaxy, it was decided that the human life form was to be created in the Lyran system. The human race lived there for approximately 40 million years, evolving. The orientation of the human race in Lyrae was agricultural in nature. Apparently, we were very plentiful and abundant, and lived in peace.

The Lyrans posses Nordic features and are quite possibly the ‘Elohim’ described in religious traditions both on Earth and around the galaxy. Due to the Lyrans role in the genesis of the human presence in the galaxy, the Lyrans can understandably be argued to have the most detailed understanding of human origins and galactic history. They can be described as the ‘Galactic historians’ for the human species. It can be inferred that the Lyrans help in disseminating the truth about the evolution of human races in the galaxy, and have a deep understanding of galactic human culture and of the ‘human spirit’. The Lyrans have been further described as follows:

Those from Lyra have an affinity for origins and ancient histories. So they would be useful to you to understand the past in order to transform it. As you understand your past and your origins you may be able in consciousness to go back, pattern by and pattern, peel off the layers of the onion, and find your true nature. They would be excellent guides in this process, this psychological process for humanity, of understanding its motivations and its history and how it came to be.

In conclusion, the Lyrans’ main activities are in disseminating the unique history of the human race in the galaxy, and assisting in understanding human motivations and potentials. The global solutions the Lyrans provide include accurate information about human history, understanding galactic history, discovery of the human essence, diplomacy and conflict resolution, and global education.


According to Billy Meier, another race of extraterrestrials that physically contacted him were from the Vega star system within the constellation of Lyra. The Vegans were a darker or ‘blue’ and/or red skinned group of humans, and were likely the ‘blue race’ of advanced humans mentioned in various Vedic texts, and from whom the Hindu gods Vishnu and Krishna derived. The Brazilian contactee, Jefferson Souza, claims that he met the Vegans of Lyra, who he described as looking very similar to natives of India. According to Alex Collier, Vega was the first star system in Lyra to be populated by humans.

In addition to the Nordic looking humans from Lyra, the Vegans played an important colonizing role throughout the Galaxy.

One of the first extraterrestrial races who came to Earth were … humans from worlds that exist within another dimension in the area of the Lyra and Vega systems. The Lyrans, together with the Vegans, came to Earth initially 22 million years ago. Their stay here was very brief and they continued their travels to other star clusters and planets. Their history is largely obscure, even though assault groups occasionally continued to return to Earth. Approximately 389,000 years ago, several million Lyrans and Vegans again left their native worlds, entered our order of space and time in this dimension, and came to Earth where they mingled with the Earthlings.

Significantly, the results of the Vegans and Lyrans interbreeding with humans paralleled events described in the Book of Enoch where the ‘Nephilim’ intermarried with humans and produced a race of giants that eventually died off. Meier describes these events as follows

They procreated in the normal manner and through the manipulation of genes by genetic engineers. The results of the genetic engineering produced beings that were part human, part animal, and included giants, titans, and other creatures. In the course of hundreds and thousands of years these creatures were displaced once again, and eventually died out because they could not reproduce or because conditions for their life forms proved fatal for them.

Further parallelling events described in the Book of Enoch where the leaders of the Nephilim were punished for their activities on Earth, Meier describes how the ringleaders of the Vegans and Lyrans were responsible for numerous transgressions against the native peoples of Earth and other worlds:

The many millions of Lyrans and Vegans, who had left their native worlds, were headed by 144,207 leaders and sub-leaders, etc., who reigned over their followers in a rather hierarchic manner. The leaders also transferred this behavior to Earth humans with whom they had intermingled in the past to create human descendants of various types. These 144,207 leaders and their subordinates were, indeed, the ringleaders who were essentially responsible for the misdeeds, false teachings, and false religions which were absorbed and imitated by humans on Earth. Not everything the leaders brought to Earth was evil, false, or criminal, however; many valuable items and ideas were presented to the Earthlings with regard to crafts, professions, philosophies, ways of thinking, medicine, technology, and many other things.

Alex Collier refers to a devastating galactic war in Lyra but its cause was external.According to Meier, the Vegans returning to Earth in the present era, are attempting to assist humanity, atone for past mistakes and to assist Vegan starseeds] Like the Lyrans, the global solutions the Vegans provide include accurate information about human history and the Vegan heritage, understanding galactic history, discovery of the human essence, diplomacy and conflict resolution, and global education.
Now, I am going to talk about the Lyrans.

When I am talking about the Lyrans and the human race as a whole, I am talking about us and our ancestors and all the ancestors of the ancient Lyran genetic line. Before I even get to that I am just going to read the first sentence that I have on humans. The Human Race is unusual in having all of its member’s races derive from one genetic line. That is an amazing thing.

Now, let’s talk about the Lyrans and then we can talk about the humans some more. Their skin color is Gold, amber, blue and/or red. The color of the stars in their planetary systems is what caused their skin tint to change, depending on the frequency and the UV, ultraviolet scale of their stars. They are of mammalian descent.

They are the only human race to have full empathy senses and full psionic abilities and have experienced “quantum probability control.” I’m still working on what that means [Laughter] you have to remember these are extraterrestrial races who know all this stuff. They are also considered today a retired race that has very little intercourse with other main civilizations. In the past, on Earth, they were known as Bodhisattva.

They have been known to monitor and provide guidance for some planetary systems. Some planetary systems today see them as their protectors and guides. They are worshiped in other words. What is interesting is that the Lyrans prefer to live on ringed worlds. They have a preference for it. On the Andromedan Council they are known as an elder race, which carries great prestige on the Council, because extra-terrestrial civilizations, ladies and gentlemen, really pay close attention to genetic lineage.

Now we are going to talk to the human race as a whole, how the Andromedans see the human race.

The human race is unusual in having all of its member races derive from one genetic line. This accounts for the remarkable casual interactions of the great human civilizations, but for better or for worse, human galactic civilizations, even if they compose a single clan have diverse evolutionary histories.

Each culture is very different in the way they have evolved. Not as a species, but as a culture. Misunderstandings and conflicts have occurred. Traditions exist to minimize the likelihood of misunderstandings and to lesson the negative consequences of any miscommunications that might occur.

So they were sentient enough to know that they had to put things in place to try to minimize human vs. human war. In addition, the behavior of individuals does reflect on the species and the clan. This is an Andromedan human race sharing this with us that the actions of individuals of those races do reflect on the entire clan.

None are faulted for polite or proper behavior. Informality is always at risk of being misconstrued or miscommunicated. The traditions of human interaction were developed by the ancestors over the ages. When an elder race insists that a new civilization observe traditions; for example: The Andromedans come down they introduce themselves, they say “ok, boys, it’s time to go to the show.”

The show being the Andromedan Council, we are being asked to be invited to the Andromedan Council. What they will do is they will teach us the tradition, the proper way of introducing yourself, of acting before all these civilizations because you will be misinterpreted if you walk in “Yo, man, whaz happenin’?” You will be completely misunderstood. [Laughter]

It helps the young races build a culture that will function well in galactic civilization, as well as help guarantee that this young race will become a virtuous and productive member of the Galactic Commonwealth.

That is exactly Moraney’s verbiage, I took it word for word – the Galactic Commonwealth.

It is important that all humans be as polite as possible. This helps both the young and the old cultures because many of the old cultures are socio-biologically dependent on ritual. They have become so conditioned that this is just the way you do it. They traditions are so deeply embedded that they are not going to change. We have that same situation here on our planet. And can be psychologically disturbed by informal and rude behavior. If the occasion calls for it apologize and then speak only when spoken to. Never touch a fellow elder race person unless you are specifically asked to.

That leads me to something I was taught when I was brought on board and I met other races. This is what the Andromendans do when they meet another race. And I was taught to teach this to everyone here which I’ve done, and I am going to do it again.

When you have a contact and you are standing before an extra-terrestrial or extra-terrestrials you stand yourself square, you bow, never taking your eyes off of them and you say:

“It is the manner and custom when entering my space that permission be asked”.

You say it very clearly, because what you are doing is you are declaring your sovereignty and you are declaring your space. Alright, because we are not that well thought of, so it is important to do something like this. You have ten seconds to make a good first impression.

“It is the manner and custom when entering my space that permission be asked.”

We would have to say it verbally. They would probably respond telepathically.

Q: And if we didn’t say that?

AC: There is always the possibility that your space would be violated. The Greys (Dows) would, absolutely. But nobody knows to do that. And besides they wouldn’t approach you that way, they always steal you out of bed because they are little frigging cowards. No, I don’t have any charge on that. [Laughter]

Most human galactic races have three languages and these difference markers are: formal, informal and differential.

The differential apparently is what is used in a lot of politics, galactic politics. The formal is when you are addressing your own race, like state of the union; it is also when you are talking to elders. If I am a young Terran and I am addressing an elder of my race, I am to use the formal. The informal, is informal, “Yo blood, whaz happenin’?” [Laughter].

The informal marker is not used ever in public. Always ask if both parties are comfortable with the informal language. I would have to say, “Mike, do you mind if I talk trash?” And Mike would have to say “Sure, man, talk trash.” [Laughter]

Then we are both agreed and I can talk trash.

It’s probably a bad example……

The formal marker is always used in public because you always want to regard your partner in conversation as worthy of respect.

The prestige of a mature race is always subject to debate.

The first measure of the general rule of prestige is number one the age of the race.

The second index is the race’s lineage. It all comes back to genetics.

The third index is the number and size of the race or the clan or the tribe. In standard introductions, always include identification by full name, species name, any relevant titles, and your home planetary system.

Species name and planetary system, e.g., Sol, Terra 3: because our star is known as Sol. We are Terra which is third planet from the sun.
The Lyrans are the original white Aryan Race and what is left of the Aryans is the Pleaidians and Andromedans. Birth of the humanoid race has all of the genetic DNA from this area. Ancient Lyrans were the Titans. The giants Bigfoot also descended from Lyrans. All life destroyed on Lyra and the ring Nebula eye Og God. Lyra consists of 14 inhabited planets, three planets were destroyed during the wars Bila, Teka and Merok. 50 million were slaughtered. Lyrans started the Black League. The Black Dragon.

Lyrans grew into Sirian, Arcturian, Antarian, Pleaidian, Andromedan, Cygnus Alphan, Alpha Centauri, Sagittarius A & B, Cassiopia, all human evolution. Based upon genetically human forms in higher realms and very highly evolved Universes, it was decided that many forms of life would be created here in Lyra because it appeared to be ideal as far as the age of the Suns and Planets and the length of probable stability.

The human race would have time to evolve and create space exploration and gravitate by means of energy and spiritual recognition into planetary civilizations and that those races would in turn create there own root races and life. It was also important that these races be allowed to manifest and create different aspects of ourselves mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Thus we would be creating diversity and expressing our own need to create.

As the human race fragmented, the races moved, traveled, and settled many different planets in many systems as space travel evolved. The human became aware of other planetary civilizations in theses systems. Different cultures meet and grew. Belief systems clashed or spread. New thoughts of Philosophy or technologies came into being. Mankind was evolving.

A very strong social community developed between all in the Lyra System. The Lyrans were a very peaceful race on the whole. There were disagreements and light conflicts, but much was always cleared and resolved. The Lyrans learned to adapt to virtually all of the planetary environments that they settled.

They learned to live in complete harmony with their respective planets. They developed agricultural communities that were literally awesome. They were not only efficient and could feed billions of beings, but it was actually enhancing the planet itself and creating an even wealthier environment. All aspects of life seem to benefit from the Lyran’s commitment to be at one with their home planets.

At the same time, the life expectancy was between 300 - 425 years on the average. This was to increase by 3 times later, but everyone worked as a community. They were not in service of self, but were a race that beat as one heart, and shared and moved in the same direction as a whole and would try to make sure that none of their race would lag or fall too far behind the whole.

In other words,

"The needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few."

They were an incredible role model for all humanity that followed to this present moment.

The human race is history. The works of the mind are a record of that history, for the whole record of the human race is in one man. If you read these words then you are a part of Lyran heritage and a part of you carries this history within.
I want to talk to you about Lyra and how the human race colonized our galaxy. Based on the age of the Suns and the planets in our galaxy, it was decided that the human life form was to be created in the Lyran system. The human race lived there for approximately 40 million years, evolving. The orientation of the human race in Lyra was agricultural in nature. Apparently, we were very plentiful and abundant, and lived in peace.
Then, one day, huge craft appeared in the sky. A large ship came out of the huge craft and approached the planet Bila, and reptilians from Alpha Draconis disembarked. Apparently, the Alpha Draconians and the Lyrans were afraid of each other. I told you before that the Alpha Draconians were apparently the first race in our galaxy to have interstellar space travel, and have had this capability for 4 billion years. Well, when the Draconians came and saw Bila, with all its abundance and food and natural resources, the Draconians wanted to control it. There was apparently a mis-communication or misunderstanding between the Draconians and Lyran humans. The Lyrans wanted to know more about the Draconians before some kind of "assistance" was offered. The Draconians mistook the communication as a refusal, and subsequently destroyed three out of 14 planets in the Lyran system. The Lyrans were basically defenseless. The planets Bila, Teka and Merck were destroyed. Over 50 million Lyran humans were killed. It is at this point in history that the Draconians began to look at humans as a food source. This is how old the struggle is between the reptilian and human races. All human life was seeded in Lyra in our galaxy. The human species was not created in Lyra. It was seeded there from somewhere else. Where the human race originally came from the Andromedans have not yet discovered themselves. I don't know if other races have.My understanding is that the human race originally, our ancestors, were literally brought in by another race that acted as steward.What they have told me is that the human races were evolving in Lyra within many solar systems in that star system. The reason they chose that system was because of the frequencies of the sun were sufficient to permit the human physical form, as it was then with 12 strands of DNA and 15 feet tall and about 400-500 pounds. Now, according to the Andromedans, another race appeared and came out of a higher dimensional realm and helped seed the human race in this galaxy. While they were doing this, there was already another previously seeded race in our galaxy - a reptilian race. They were seeded here from another universe located in another space-time dimension. The reptilians were brought to our galaxy and seeded here. They are who we now know as the Alpha Draconians. Their original lineage is a race known as the Ciakar, and they have a caste system based on genetics. As we go through this and explain how everything happened, you will see some incredible similarities with not only what has happened to our planet, but also what has happened to other races. So, what happened is that the human race, agricultural in nature, was evolving in Lyra. They eventually began to develop space travel, and as they were still developing space travel and working together, several large Draconian craft showed up and they were startled. The reptilians were the first race in our galaxy to develop space travel. At some point, the humans and the reptilians on these giant craft began to communicate, and the story that has been handed down tells us that the Draconians wanted to control the wealth that they saw on these Lyran planets.the Draconians showed up, they were driven and motivated to explore space to search for food. All races have their different motives for doing what they do. The situation for the Draconians was that they were migrating and building up their original population so fast that they had to develop space travel. As they moved out into the galaxy, they would find planets and moons with resources they could use. They continued to migrate, taking what they needed when they needed it, and moved on. When they got to Lyrae, they discovered several solar systems with incredible planets which had water, food and lush vegetation. They immediately wanted to control this space route, because they realized the value of the resources. When the approached the Lyrans, the Lyrans were extremely suspicious of the reptilians, because the Ciakar element of the race were very aggressive. It is their way.

So, we have two races who had previously thought they were alone on the galaxy who come into contact with each other. We are talking about two antithetical races in many ways. This is approximately 572 million years ago. Apparently there was a misunderstanding in communication, wherein the Ciakar were asking for access to the food and the minerals. The Lyraens , apparently didn't understand what the Draconians wanted, and wanted to know more about the Ciakar. In other words, they were not about to hand control over planets in their system to the Draconians without really knowing who they were dealing with. Apparently the Ciakar interpreted the hesitation of the Lyrans as a "denial" of their request and took offense. Within hours they began attacking the Lyran system, which didn't really have any weapons. It was the attack by the Ciakar that forced the Lyrans to migrate out of that system and spread out into the galaxy. It also forced them to develop weapons. One of the considerations the Lyrans had as they spread through space was to search for water, because humans have to have water. The Andromedan perspective is that some Lyrans found an asteroid that had a great deal of ice-water and hid inside this asteroid, and there they began to develop their own identity. They continued to explore space and look for solar systems that would sustain them. The human race continued to evolve and went to the Vega system, Deneb, the Sirian and Rigel systems, and all these star systems all over the galaxy. So, they were on these ships fleeing the reptilian invasion, growing their own food on the craft and looking for water, and the human race became very adaptable and creative. Once we understand our lineage and our relationship to the galaxy, we as a race are going to be very proud of who we were, and who we can be now. We are not done with our evolution. The encounter between the two races in Lyra is apparently were the reptilians had their first taste of human flesh, and they liked it. Moraney told me about how the Draconian races, during the war against the Lyran races, realized that humans needed water. They positioned their large ships in strategic systems that contained a lot of water in order to prevent the humans from gaining access to it. It was literally a way for the Draconians to force the humans out of the galaxy. To the degree that they could monitor the charted systems with water, they would place their craft there and attack humans who came there. This is why the human races from Lyra independently evolved technologies to acquire water sources, from comets and other sources.
It was the ancient Lyrans when they colonized this part of the galaxy. They kept moving through the galaxy. They migrated out of Lyra because of a war. What they would do is find certain planetary systems that had minerals, resources, water, and things that they needed. They would then try to stabilize those planetary systems using technology that they had. They would then go in, mine and pull out the resources they needed. They would continue their building mining equipment and spacecraft. They needed to stabilize the solar system so that they could extract the minerals which also meant they had to live there for awhile setting up colonies. That is why there are so many ruins on so many of our moons and planets.

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HebrianDaniel: now i wonder who created the

now i wonder who created the lyran or
are they also starseeded from other universe? maybe...

bluesbaby5050: To Chris--Thank you for this info--

This is very informative/interesting. The people in this forum needed to be brought up to date in their human history,as soon as possible. The times are changing, and we humans need to know the Proper ways to act in the correct ways of greeting our galactic families. This is a must. You want to be prepared in this, as you do not want to offend our families. Please study this material. We need to learn the proper ways of our galactic families, because we are not like them, culture wise, and in our speech, and manners, and we do NOT want to offend anyone.This is so important. We need to be ready. The Falcon.

Tim Lovell: The Felines created the

The Felines created the original lyrans..

Tarheel: I found one of them.

Yep, she's one of the culprits. And one FINE Cat at that.
We need more like her around.


Marion Akkerman: Who created the Lyrans?

Correct! I am in contact with a Vegan named Ivo and he says that the felines were master geneticists who created the human body for the Lyrans from animal DNA because their souls wanted to learn more and required a physical body to do so.

BenjaminFalkenrath: BB5050 You want to take a

BB5050 You want to take a crack @ this one?

bluesbaby5050: EN.KI GAVE the Humans the DNA

EN.KI GAVE the Humans the DNA FIRE CODES THAT CAME FROM HIS MOTHERS DNA,and SHE TAUGHT HIM THE PROPER WAYS TO USE THEM! This is WHY the Aliens want the Human DNA! Humans can NOW move Though Time, and OUTER-SPACE, and INNER SPACE. and THEY CAN TRAVEL ANYWHERE THAT THEY CHOOSE TO! Other Lesser Evolved Aliens have to use Metal space crafts to get around in outer space from Universe to universe. This is the Royal Codes that we Humans now carry. Without them, humans would be just like the other humans/humanoids that exist in our galaxy, and in other galaxies. Humans are Special in this way. And this is why we are sort after, and why they want to interbreed with us. This will Activate when your Plugged into the Universal Consciousness.

Tim Lovell: I am reading Inanna returns

I am reading Inanna returns atm very interesting book ...:)

bluesbaby5050: She a is One of the Relatives that............

KILLED EN.KI. He was her uncle, and the Favorite of King Anu, EN.KI'S Father. EN.LIL Plotted for his father's throne. This is why EN.LIL/YAHWEH was sent to Earth to Check up on EN.KI, and that was used as an EXCUSE to get EN.LIL FAR AWAY FROM THE PALACE, and the Desired Throne. King Anu was very Aware of EN.LIL'S Plot to Kill him for the throne, even though King Anu was EN.LIL'S father.

bluesbaby5050: Only the Earth Humans are Sort After.......

To get Access to our Special DNA! WE CARRY THE FIRE CODES IN OUR DNA! HUMANS ARE ABLE TO SHOOT THOUGH TIME, AND SPACEI N OUR LIGHT BODIES,AND WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO DE-MATERIALISE, AND WE ARE ABLE TO RE-MATERIALISE INTO SOLID FORM ANYWHERES !! NOW YOU KNOW WHY WE ARE VALUED! WE ALSO HAVE SOULS THAT ARE CONNECTED INTO THIS TIME MATRIX. This is the HIDDEN SECRETS THAT THE PTB NEVER WANTED THE EARTH HUMANS TO DISCOVER! IT'S TOO LATE NOW, WE DID! Now the POINT is , TO TRY TO ACTIVE YOUR KUNDILINI ALL THE WAY to Your Higher Self/YOUR GODHEAD and then on UP-wards to Connect to the Universal Consciousness, and you can leave this Matrix of incarnations when you Fully activate your Pineal Gland. All the Glands are then Turned ONLINE. Then the next step is you have to OPEN THE THIRD EYE, and you will be able to RE-Mote View, even to other planets. You will be able to consciously ASTRAL Travel in your Light body connected to your Silver Cord located at the top, and center of your head. (The soft spot).

Tim Lovell: yes I am remote viewing

yes I am remote viewing already and using the merkaba but if you have past unresolved karma you cant leave earth until the debts are repaid this may be 9 lifetimes for me at least but that dose not matter as time dose not really exist ...

bluesbaby5050: With out the Delvoped Merkaba.............

it would NOT be possible to leave the Wheel of Karma. This is my LAST Incarnation on Earth. I will be leaving by the Star Gate of our Sun. This is the way out of this solar system, and to go to other Planets, and Galaxies, and other Universes. This is why it is important to rise your Kundilini, so you will be able to leave. That 's only the FIRST STEP to be on your way out.

bluesbaby5050: BY The YEAR 2017 Those Souls.............

That are still on planet Earth, and those souls that have risen their Vibrations into the lower, or higher 4th dimentional levels, will be able to rise to the higher levels/Octaves between the 4th, and the 5th dimention, and then even higher into the 6D. The planet Earth will be doing this along side those of us that are out of the 3D level. We are also helping Earth though her Acension along with our own. It is a combined effort because by us being here, our bodies are transmuting these highly charged frequencies , because we are conduits for this Highly charged light, and by us allowing these light energies to pass though us, and to go down into the earth, because of our risen vibrations. If people did not rise their vibrations high enough, we would not be able to hold this high frequencies, and we would actually burn up. And this is why many people have chosen not to be alive during this time, and they are choosing death as a way out. We are receiving the higher light energies from the center of this galaxy, and these energies are interring into our physical bodies. We are to hold the Light for this to happen. Some of us are Light Workers, and we are here to carry this out. And also the Hundreth Monkey is in effect because of us. .....> We are Radiating this energy outwards from our Auras to other people's auras, and they are receiving this from our auras into their auras, they are passing/sending this outwards to others in the same way. This is why HAARP is being used on us Humans, to DISRUPE OUR STRENGTH OF OUR ENERGIES, AND OUR MENTAL ABILITIES TO MAKE US SICK, AND UNSTABLE! Now You KNOW even More hidden Secrets/Information.

Tim Lovell: I know this , being a keeper

I know this , being a keeper of frequency some people chose to act as sort of light `bombs` to help activate or awaken the others this process can and usually does lead to the person becoming burned out the plan involves many :)

bluesbaby5050: To Prevent this Burning Out..........

Is to keep Calm, and Remain in your Center/Stay Focused, remain centered AT ALL TIMES. Keep well rested, and your energies high at all times. Try to stay in a state of Peace, and Love, and Joy for Life itself, and because knowing this is a special gift to the Human race, and to our Mother Earth herself, our Mother Gaia. She CAN actually feel Who we are, and Where we are, and we will be protected by her also. This is why people should Not get into a state of fear. This is a Created Illusion set by the Shadow governments, and by the Malevolent alien groups though their created Dis-harmony, and even BY YOU!

bluesbaby5050: This is also why You are Seeing ..........

Some people that are behaving Badly in irradicial behaviors in selected regions/ areas of this planet. Some have been PR-programmed to act out, and cause Mayhem, and Death on this planet, and you wittiness this in the world news all the time. The Shadow governments are using these selected people from their secret programs to cause this UN-rest, and this death, and distructions of all types in these countries. They are their Pawns. It starts at the highest levels of our governments leaders, all the way down to the people in the streets.

Tim Lovell: yep they have underground

yep they have underground bases and are remotely experimenting on people they also take people from the army in the us and activate a mutation in them activating a reptilian part of the brain allowing them to move up above the frequency control like them

bluesbaby5050: SOME of these People are SOUL-LESS CLONES!

That they Control, and Manipulate. Some, if not All world leaders, souls have been removed, and are being held captive in strong boxes. , Some people in positions of Power are these such beings. Sometimes the original people are murdered, along with their families, and RE-placated/Copied before their deaths. Each one is able to live soul-less up to 10 years, and before this, their nervous system will begin to break down, and they will begin to show this in their movements, and speech etc. Then they will say this person is on vacation at Camp David so they can send in the new, and improved clone to get the jobs done.

Tim Lovell: yes I agree its fear they

yes I agree its fear they want to feed of us but knowing your identity goes beyond just the body allows you to chnge your frequency from fear and avoid the various machinisations used to produce it meditate and stay calm and free yes :)

bluesbaby5050: These are the people acting out ..........


Tim Lovell: agreed!


Tarheel: Objectively,post contains MANY conflictions & contradictions

Not my opinion, but there are numerous contradictions of Sumerian texts, Wes Penre and many, many others.

I would suggest working on raising your own personal consciousness and also work on soul maturation and we'll be fine. Karma will TCO the bad guys.

JustCuriousAbou...: A couple of nights ago I

A couple of nights ago I downloaded an IPhone App called UFO Detector. Later in that night I was getting a reading that was off the chart on this App. Meaning, something with high magnetic waves was near by. So the next morning, I got a Geiger Counter from work and used it in my bedroom where I got the UFO detector readings. What astounded me was that I did not get any readings on the Geiger Counter no where in the bedroom except at the head of my bed. The readings pointed to a higher count of radiation other than what is considered "background noise". I don't know what that means. Anyone know about some possibilities. There are no marks on my body as well as my spouses and I felt rested as usual having a good night sleep.

bluesbaby5050: Do you have any outlets near by your bed.............

To plug in a lamp perhaps? Frequencies are being interjected though them, and is disrupting people's sleep, and dream state. Some people are reporting irractional dreams, or none at all. If you have a metal bedframe, it is wise to change this to wood if you possibly can. Metal frames will also fry you while you sleep because of the interjection of EMP waves , though HAARP being used on us humans mostly around the early mornings while people are asleep. Between the hours of 2:00 am, and 4:00 am. But they do this at any times of the day, and night. There are many HAARP stations around this planet, and they are attached onto trucks, and vans and driven around to certain locations, and used as a weapon. The ELF Towers also give off these waves though the cities, and they have an effect on many people. It makes people sick, and have headaches, and bodies burning sensations, and tingling sensations, and trembling/shaking sensations inside their bodies, from the feet upwards. Jesse Ventura did a show about this, and he, and his crew went to Alaska where a HAARP station is located, and some people experiencing these sensations were also interviewed by him, and his crew, and they went along with him on this trip. They all found this to be true. This really upset Jesse a lot. I did a post on this very article in length with a link to many pictures of the results of this use. NOT GOOD! I will re-post it again for a review for the new members here.( Or they can just click onto my avatar, and view all the material I posted on many important subjects. Not just pictures, there are 2 sets of numbers to view the materials if there is a lot to view. At the bottom of the page, and to the right upper side more numbers to more materials on different subjects. This is how this site is set up. And this can be done for every member here. All is kept, and nothing is lost. Finding it is the key.) And also at the top of every page on tis forum. Articles, and video's, and links, and more information, etc.

Tim Lovell: Spouses? sweet:) but to be

Spouses? sweet:) but to be honest I wouldn't put much stock in readings from a smart phone app they are just gimmicks...

JustCuriousAbou...: Answers

Tim, I totally agree with you about not putting stock in to smart app gimmicks. But, I wanted to rule out something. That is why I got a geiger counter from my job.


Funny you mentioned about what former governor Jesse Ventura investigated. I remembered watching that episode sometime ago. There is a lot of truth to the HAARP station and what it does. Because I work with depleted uranium for weight counter balances for aircraft flight controls, I have to be aware of what radiation can do. Also, there is radar and the High Frequency Radios that transmit at 100,000 volts. Long story short, there is medically documented truth about radio waves effecting the brain and nervous system as well as other areas of the body. But when you mentioned metal bed frames, I never considered that as a radiowave multiplyer of sorts. Now, I may look in to this deeper on my free time from work.


bluesbaby5050: To the Ladies- Please get rid of those nasty under-wire bras!

They are also a hazard to your health, and they attract lightening too. Your a living rod to the skies, and to the ground also. HAARP is unhealthy to the human, and animal bodies, and wearing these types of bras increase your risks. Lightening does travel along the ground for quite a distance. Herd animals have died in large groups under trees, and in open areas too. People that go camping should also be very aware of their tents, and the stakes they use, because they help electricity to travel under your body ( use wooden stakes), and electrocute you while you sleep. Metal walking canes are harmful also, so get wooded ones, and do the same for hiking. Golfers are also at very high risks, and so is any one that wears metal cleeks on the soles of their sporting shoes- soccer shoes, and football shoes, and baseball shoes.

Marion Akkerman: Reply to Bluesbaby

"Without them, humans would be just like the other humans/humanoids that exist in our galaxy, and in other galaxies." Okay, so you're talking about Terrans (us, earthlings) but the subject is who created the Lyrans/Vegans. I'm not arguing with you that we have abilities the other humans don't. Thank you for adding that.

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