Pedofillia: Sexual orientation? or mental sickness?
are Pedofillia is natural sexual orientation as Homosexual are Natural Sexual orientation?
or not?
what do you think?
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People know the difference in right and wrong. If not, they shouldnt be allowed into society. Dont give the sick people an excuse by saying it's "natural sexual orientation" or "homosexuality trait".
It's sick. It's wrong. No excuses for pedophilia whatsoever. Disgusting.
HD, what are you thinking by even bringing this up here, Chief?
QUINTON-Can we kill this thread?
i just was thinking if Homosexualism is natural sexual oreintation what about other Sexual orientation are they also Natural or not?
You have the conscious/knowing what you want/like in advance,and this is Not guess work. Choose wisely!
its about whats normal in society
and shagging kids of the animal or human kind is wrong and cant be justified.
the same argument could be used for heterosexuals, people only use this argument with homosexuals becuase they have hidden agendas (not you specifically).
so if society would say(convincing) hetro is wrong you turn gay?? following the gaysheeps?
it is like bb5050 said a matter of your own likes,
and yes it is natural that male and female are complementary and it has natural attraction,
anyways you can choose what you want to be or feel and i heard some ppl's mind is for example
a female in mind/tought but in a male body, so the female is actually attracted to man but their body is male, so they feel weird and unaccepted by society?
but lets imagine if you as a male now, will incarnate in another lifetime and as a female,
if you have your full consious, like from lives before, you still have thesame morals you had, like attracted to woman and WAY NOT GAY, but then your in a female body,,
are you going to be lesbian? because you dont want to straight(physically) because you dont want to do males because you think its gay, so you choose to be lesbian, but then ppl still can call you gay because you are physically homosexual?
i think id prefer to be lesbian in a next lifetime than..being with man.
but if you have no memory of past lives you probably just grow up with your self developing feelings, mostly attracted to opposite sex because thats like..natural!
but if every female incarnate know it was a man before and has toughts of that lifes that not want to make babies with man, or other way around,, then there no kids?
but male female is duality and our true selves is them both, we split into duality here male female, we probably also have a complementary "soul mate" of the opposite sex?
so do whatever you feel is right and that will be right for you and not make others uncomfortable with their feelings even if they may seem very sick and strange, like homosexuality
and pedofiles.. in a natural way, you know how men like nice woman, but everyone grows up, and if someone likes physically beautifull girls that are like teen or so, and they get older, but theyre not so attracted to older woman, then you could have a natural form of pedofilia i think,,
but then the young woman doesnt have to like the old man, but some do,, mostly for money and thats bribery
but there ARE SOME SICK PEDOFILES THAT LIKE TO RAPE KIDS FOR THEIR JOY AND SATISFACTION OF THE TERROR THE VICTIM HAS TO SUFFER
there are reptilians that like to do that, and thats a sick secret pedofile network going around everywhere, and they do use "natural sexual attraction" as an EXCUSE TO BRUTALLY RAPE
and that is NOT GOOD, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU CROSSING THE LINE, WHEN YOU ARE FORCING SOMEONE ELSE, NOT ALLOWING THEIR FREE WILL,
BUT YOUL GET THE KARMA BACK FOR THAT!
hey theres an agenda to turn ppl gay using mind control,, mind functioning tactics in media to make an contradiction "error" in your toughts that will want to define your moral about it again, but then they lead you in ways of thinking how it is okay and stuff, also the acceptance of gay marriage was for that i think, they didnt care before about the normal homo feelings, but now theyd(CABAL,TYRANTS) like to see humans turning to faggots..:S
oh yeah and if youre willing to sell your soul for riches and status, they force you to do gay stuff aswell, as there is something bad about it..
here i found the video i had in tought when talking bout the gay agenda
look at the mind functioning tactics used....
Bill, o really?? you mofucka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWiJno4ludU
Beyonce(example) is being used too ofcourse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUATWhaDEnU
knowing of this dismisses the mindcontrol purpouses/effects, because you are aware of it,
just like in reversed satanic messages in songs,, if you aware, you can dismiss/debunk it with your own will
The agenda is to destroy some of our stupid morales to undermine religion in western society so that religion dies out.
For example:
Christians cant eat lobster, wear polyester, wear gold, eat rabbit, have tattoos and can't get divorced and by the introduction of new beliefs, they are undermining Christianity in the USA
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread868401/pg1
But that doesnt make homosexuality wrong just because a government has a stance on it.
Atheism will also flourish because of this and religion will not survive the century because it can't adapt. UFO disclosure will be the final nail in the coffin.
ATS starts BS conspiracies just to watch people argue. They are still on JFKs assassination (50 yrs ago).
HEY, ATS IS A PERFECT PLACE FOR YOU AND KookyGoof !
i did hear it was to undermine religions too, but the reason they want to undermine religions,(i think), is because, in those religions there are still (twisted)truths and certain topics they would prefer you would not know anything bout it
the atheism is a religion in itself,in my opinion, but it does work like an religion, because it is also corrupted with wrong ideas that seem to be logic but some things just arent true, the atheism category itself says they not believe in god(s)
just because you got to hear all the religious shit from egocentric malevolant god(s), doesnt mean there no "gods", so that also doesnt mean that religion is 100% BS because it is actually talking bout things that happen, but the storys are twisted in the way those gods want so you get fooled and decieved
you called yourself an atheist one time,
you dont know they try to control all sides?, first you have corrupted religions, now many ppl dont believe in it, so they make a name for it, but at the same time they fooling you with things that may sound logic but can be untrue, still blocking the real truth anyways, get what i mean?
the cabal/reptilian disclosure will be the final nail, in their own coffin
the truth will flourish,
and it will also expose what was wrong within atheism, and darwinism is a good example of how they try to give duality like creationism and darwinism, but theyre both wrong,yet they are still right at some points, but this is to control both sides so you think you can choose between those two, or that if you not believe in this, then what you believe is called that,
THINK FOR URSELF,DO NOT CLAIM TO BE PART OF A GROUP/SECTION, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT DIVIDES US AND KEEPS US DEVIDED
YOU CAN SEE YOURSELF AS PART OF EVERYTHING OR PART OF THE WHOLE HUMANITY GROUP but dont buy into these CATEGORIES
also nationality!!
I heard you talking bout the UK in the "WE" form, then bb5050 replied like "WE Americans..", then i heard something bout the olympic games, ecbra was talking bout sporters from her own nationality, then tarheel responded about american sporters having better medaille or something,
i know you understand it,, but still it creates more duality when referring yourself to be a part of a nationality that competes with others, like with the olympic games, or the history,
please not see urself as amerikan,britain,this,, that,, i know you can love the place where you are born, but many times the name of the place is just another way of sunconsiously dividing,
see EARTH AS A WHOLE, see humanity As a WHOLE, See yourselves as an INDIVIDUAL!!!!, when we become to see that, we are like a whole,thats the point, i know most of you do,
but talking with "WE" about natinalities or religion or whatever, makes you look as if you ARE or did what that NATION did/is, you told something bout amerika, and bb said, I wasnt even born then!, but that shouldnt matter even if she was born them it does not give the blame to her!! i know you understand this but its the unconsious effect that i'm worried about,
so FUCK LABELING!
it is the label of "christian" that made that people think they CANT eat lobster, polyester,wear gold,,
it makes them think they are just like the rest and have to follow them if not youre not what you want to be??
everyone can eat lobster and wear gold, those are things that are good for us, so why would they(cabal) want religious ppl cancel their "DONTS"?
Those that put out these RE-strictions do this for CONTROL! They want you/us to be used to some kind of control. I do what I want, as far as eating, wearing gold, and what to wear in clothing, ETC.I do NOT follow styles,as I have my own,and do not follow anyone.I am not part of any organizations either.Not even a church. I am a spiritual Human being. I live life from a state of love to everyone.Even if I do not always show it. I feel it,and send it out to others mentally, and I also do this in prayer.I was referring to myself as an American,as in the country of my birth. I was not speaking for all Americans.That was the point I was trying to make in that statement your speaking about here.
verywell said, i know you meant that,
and using "We" as american is the simplest way to talk&refer to about it like that, i just wanted to give it attention, so we are aware that when we say for somethings "WE" ...category.., we are not subconsiously attaching ourselves to that category personally, because if you would interpret it litterary as "WE ..." that would be silly,,like if being responsible for the whole group, (again:i know you didnt meant that) but not everyone is very aware about it, look at how crazy football hooligans get, just because they really attached themselves to that category, subconsiously or not, these ppl arent even a part of that football team they're all about, yet they think and act they are really a part of it,
when they get to hear anything bout that football team, they are immediatly interested,or get angered because they take it as a personal attachment, someway
(i meant this as example)
this labeling is dividing&polarizing subconsiously just wanted to say that, even if you know,,let this as a reminder, because LANGUAGE is nowadays also a tool of DIVIDING, it should be a tool for UNITING the communication instead, i am very interested in a pure language based on emotions/vibes that the sound and feeling that is spoken is the message, not the interpretation and translation
I just wanted to clear this concept up.I was aware of this way of thinking,and I don't like it either.I agree with you on the kind of spoken language we should be using.Too many people just hate taking the time to learn the proper ways of speaking the English language.Text messaging is very bad,and this is Not another language.Teens mostly, want to write like this,and even talk like this.This takes away the Power of the letters,and the words,and the messages in them.Words written,and spoken have great power when used correctly.The language loses this when used wrong.
(this one is again quite long so read when/if you want)
(you know i just speak out what i think on this keyboard and it can be quite long xD), i'll try to keep it shorter next times,
i usually, when chatting, spell the words very wrong and diffrent,but kinda especially!, i like to have variation in words and spell them how i like, so i also dont have to care how i had spelled them, i use to type it fast and uncarefull, yet the message is always understood, it is all about the communication,
when i once wrote like that somewhere where ppl commented back on it, they try to correct my words, but they totally understand what i was saying,yet they put effort in correcting the rules of communication, instead of just absorbing the message, but with my friend i talk like this all the time via some chatthing, it brings some more variation, feeling and creativity within the talking words, i like that because i think many words are silly and i spell them with extra or less letters but you always see what i meant, i do this in another language by the way, so im not used to do this in english,so lucky you dont see this, ifnot you'd had ppl here trying to correct my spelling here xD
if we had a pure language, i probably wouldnt do this,, and that could bring more confusion because the message would be in de pronouncation of the words/letters, but here, you are trained to recognize groupings of letters that corresponds to a meaning, its nice to see how you can recognize these meanings in these words while there spelled all diffrent , and it brings some extra to it..
i told this just to tell you that i dont care about speaking english or other language, in its proper way, I DONT GIVE A FUCK BOUT IT AND THEM SPELLING RULES AND SHIT, ITS ALL MADE COMPLEX FOR CONFUSION IN LEARNING AND PRACTICING IT, I DONT LIKE THAT AT ALL,
ofcourse it is always important to AVOID confusion, so i dont do this everywhere, only talkin with friends and they do it too,
and i also like "code words" i never call it like that but you now what i mean, totally other words that replace some word, sounds better to me, this develops in the streets, especially in multicultural situations, you get to know these words and some are just made up and some descend from another language, i like to hear the variety of diffrent language in one main one, its called street talk i think, but some ppl use these words to sound cool or something but then you see how fake that one is, it has to be natural when you say it, automatic or something, but you can intentionally care about how you write shit when writing something to official, or school
but the shortening of words does kinda take the power of the words away, but its very handy for quick chatting, as these words are actually presented on a screen, not with vibrational/sound
it makes you less lazy to type things too, especially if doing it how you want or/and shortening
you know what i wonder.. how my MIND WOULD THINK, WITHOUT USING WORDS, I KNOW IT DOES THIS ALL THE TIME, BUT WHEN WE THINK SOMETHING, WE MOSTLY HEAR THE WORDS YOU ARE THINKING IN YOUR MIND... I THINK THIS IS QUITE DISTURBING......
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE 2 LANGUAGES, FIRST you learn to think in your mother language, then you learn another language, but if you are too used to the other language, you mind thinking (mother)language can switch to the other (later)language,, i was worried bout it as a kid, btw, after not speaking/THINKING spanish for a big while, i totally FORGOT IT :'(,, and it not makes it easier to learn it back...., only very few things i remember...:(
Think about the Helpless Victims.
pedofilia is a heinous crime because force a weak mind and/or body to have sex. and this leaves many marks on the psyche of children's future. Orientation never justify make someone victim. includes the duty to see that children do NOT suffer any violence.
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particulary, I think that if you are (was born) man; be Man! and if you was born (are) woman... well, be Woman! and I confess that I was so biased in relation to the homossessualismo but today no longer... natural or not ... if they feel well so why should we bother with this?
I really love womans... thankfully I was born Male and Human...
att.
Even if USA Men's Volleyball beat The Brazilians, and USA Women's Beach Volleyball did win Gold Medal and Silver Medal.!
OUCH ! Haha! Yes, Ecbra, we are on the same team, "Team Truth Control". I just HAD to get another dig in (pun intended) on Olympic Volleyball since Brazil WAs 9past tense) ranked #1 in both mens and Women's 9beach) volleyball BEFORE we beat them both. I will stop now! Haha!.
;)
you need agree that... our voleys team are... more strong. that ... well
that which? we are in the same... ! Heart wins!
(hahaha... I dont... resist... sorry,.)
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2 x 0... to us and...
ops...
to us. sorry.
att.
Strenght and Honour
always
I think this is a very big topic that leads into lots of other questions. A few things I think which first would need to be defined:
1. How are we defining pedophilia?
2. At what age is somebody able to make their own decisions?
3. At what point is somebody no longer considered a child?
I think these are all relative questions that are hard to make strict judgement calls on. That's why I take more of a libertarian stance of leaving it up to the individuals involved. If a 17 year old girl is in a relationship with a 19 year old guy I don't think most people will see problems with this. If a 17 year old girl is in a relationship with a 49 year old guy I think more people would see a problem. What if the guy is 49 and the girl is 25? Is this okay? What about the girl 17 and the guy 35? Is this okay? I think it all depends.
If people are fit to make their own decisions then I think we should let people make their own decisions. Obviously the age or point where people are fit to make their own decisions is completely relative. Who's to say that a 16 year old girl is less fit to make decisions than a 26 year old girl? I know many young people that are of a more sound mind than older people. Being older by bodily age doesn't make you older by consciousness necessarily. So I think it becomes a bit tricky to decide who makes the call and at what age.
I don't personally see the long-term value in older guys being with younger girls. I think these are shallow relationships only based on the physical. But, I could see certain cases where there could be something there. And who's to say a 16 year old girl with a 25 year old guy is any worse than an 18 year old girl with a 27 year old guy?
The libertarian stance would be if somebody makes a decision for something then that's their decision. If somebody is 16 and chooses to be with an older man then that is their free will. Just as if a 20 year old chooses to be with an older man. That is also their free will. If the 16 year old is making a mistake because they are still not "mature" then at what point is the 20 year old not making a mistake because they are "mature". Again, I think it is relative. And who's to say that because somebody is 20 they are now mature and they are now going to make good decisions. Everybody makes mistakes, it doesn't matter what age.
So in order for a relationship or sex to be valid there has to be consent by both people. If a 17 year old girl and a 19 year old guy both agree to sex I don't see the issue. If a 17 year old girl and a 49 year old guy agree to sex I don't really see the issue either. Both people are voluntarilly choosing to participate. Nobody is forcing them. This is what they both want. Maybe the 17 year old is being "manipulated". So? You don't think 20 year old, 30 year old and 40 year old people get manipulated? Manipulation happens at every age.
If a 19 year old guy forces a 17 year old to have sex this is not consensual and therefore rape, just as if he was 19 and the girl was 29. It doesn't matter the age, what matters is choice. If a 17 year old is somehow naive and doesn't know what's best for themselves what makes us think an 18 year old or a 20 or ever 30 year old will know what's best for themselves? People make bad decisions for themselves all the time. And who are we to interfere with their free will and their lessons? People learn by making mistakes. And mistakes are made by people of all ages. For the most part I think it comes down to what the people both agree to. And I don't think most young people will choose to be with older people. Young people usually aren't into older guys. Therefore most cases are not consensual. But if they do choose that I think it becomes a bit tricky and we would need to look into questions 2 and 3 that I originally posed.
Now as far as pedophilia being a sexual orientation...
I think it is a bit of a twist as sexual orientation is usually within the domain of gender. I agree with others that I think calling pedophilia a sexual orientation is a perversion of the term.
Some of my thoughts anyway. This is a huge topic.
And a 25 year old woman with a kid,and goes with a 17 year old or- 18- 19 - or 20 year old guy.This happens more then people think it does.I myself have seen this plenty.Why should this be any different then A girl with older guy? Alot of guys like older woman for many reasons.I have asked this when I see couples ,and I know them well enough to ask this question.They are not offended by this either.They just laugh,and say ,because they like each other,and proceed to give me more reasons why. Period. That's it.Some last a few years together,and others don't.They KNOW this is not going to last in the long run anyways, and say, if we were to die soon this would be OK with them.They did not Miss out on the experience, they said. They want to Experience this.There is nothing wrong with this, as they are Learning from one another. They Both have agreed to this. I know of a man, and a woman that had a 30 year age difference,and they stayed married till the man died at 98 years old, and the woman lived 20 more years.They were co-workers.The woman was younger.Then, I knew a couple ,and there was a 20 year age difference,and the man was younger then the woman, and they are still married to this day. He brought up her 3 children as his own. He even adopted them thought the court system! Age is only a number.The wisedom is the key.And the Love binds/holds them together.
Very well said!
The wife was 36,and he was in his middle 60's,and they got married,and his children were grown,and his youngest was the new wifes age. She was NOT the step mother, of his children,she was only this mans wife.They already had a mother. In fact, they all got along well! They had one child together.They were co-workers, that's how they had met,and just fell in love. Neither of them were looking for this. He didn't have any money lol! I know that's what Some of you think. Nope. None. He worked, and so did she.They both enjoyed being together,and went dancing together.They just enjoyed life together.They were companions in life. They were happy!
Love has no age :)
Perverts are perverts, and cant use age/Love as an excuse.
You also have a Moral Law to Yourself,and to Other people too. Male, and Female children DO NOT have the Proper LEGAL Age of Consent for Them- Selfs! These children are all under the Legal age! They are CHILDREN! And when you go below that Legal age set by THE LAWS OF THAT LAND ,then You Are Breaking those laws!,then YOU are acting as a Pedofile! These types of people will Always be the First to be attacked in a prison Overthrow! And this will get YOU Killed faster then a Bullet Everywhere Else!!
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